Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Brian,

Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my lab
the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.

Thank you,

Marc

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with the
> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If you
> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
> available for anyone to download.
>
> --
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>
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> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>
>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still yet
>> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>> Sent from iJay
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>>> everyone wants to be included?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung Ton<vton_at_integra.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Plz include me too.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Viet
>>>>
>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com>
>>>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>**, "Brian Dennis"<
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>,
>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>>>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to be included as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Bruno
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> Plz include me also.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx
>>>>> Aamir
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>>>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> lab
>>>>>
>>>>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>>>>>>> etc )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>>>>>>> mode,
>>>>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink holing
>>>>>>> traffic, etc).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> quirks
>>>>>
>>>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> learning
>>>>>
>>>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just throwing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>>>>>>> Think
>>>>>>> that will work? No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>
>>>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>>>>>>> oer-map
>>>>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> need
>>>>>
>>>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how to
>>>>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>>> etc, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in IOS
>>>>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> can be
>>>>>
>>>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently covered
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>
>>>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> future
>>>>>
>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>>>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100 pages
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp. It's
>>>>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop
>>>>>>> by.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>>>>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
>>>>>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
>>>>>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
>>>>>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
>>>>>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>>>>>>>> complex
>>>>>>>> feature? The book says:
>>>>>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>>>>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>>>>>>>> options.
>>>>>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
>>>>>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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