Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Mohamed,
The topology is based off the one used at Cisco Live for the CCIE
Troubleshooting session.

Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com

INE, Inc.
http://www.INE.com

On 5/23/12 6:48 PM, "Mohamed A. Abbas" <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Brian Dennis nice topology i did saw it before at Cisco ;)
>
>learned too much from me attempt.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mohamed A. Abbas
>
>On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Mohamed A. Abbas
><m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> Actually, what I see after the first attempt and failing in that attempt
>> with my full respect to all vendors one thing I don't care what I will
>>have
>> on my exam but what I care for that I am already know every thing in the
>> blueprint and hold the all vendors books study this from vendor one and
>> then take a look at vendor two and also Brian McGahan mentioned it many
>> many times and also Scott and Brian Dennis and many many experts no way
>>you
>> have to sit down and read and one thing to mention here when you read
>> through the all topic you already clear it in all expert level certs
>>bgp is
>> same that's the end so sit down and read there's no magic will let you
>>get
>> it even if you use the dump the point behind getting the number is to be
>> really expert not paper CCIE and this wont done by watching videos or
>> reading notes you have to sit down and hold your book and your pen and
>> white paper and keep writing and taking notes then lab them create your
>>own
>> scenarios even in PFR MPLS any any thing I passed my config section and
>> failed on Trouble shooting for 3 tickets and i did it this way and
>>studying
>> again and will be in soon what I learned from the CCIE's with not one
>>but
>> the CCIEx5 or any times of expert the key is in sitting down and read
>>and
>> understand why this and why that but id u study the whole thing once
>>very
>> well u will not study it again and we can see this very well in the core
>> topics of SP and RS so with my full respect to all all topics important
>>i
>> wont pass any thing and go throw slowly and if u think its a long way
>>nope
>> sorry its just 8 hours at the end to get recorded in the world data base
>> special thanks to the Brians of INE the learned me this from their posts
>> videos and WB.
>>
>> and to god be with all us
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mohamed A. Abbas
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Sampath Weerasinghe
><swe20144_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> wow
>>> Nice studio!
>>>
>>> -Sam
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That's the whole point. OSPF is covered so much in various books,
>>> > classes, videos, etc and people have lot of real world experience
>>>with
>>> it
>>> > that it's not as tough as a topic like PfR.
>>> >
>>> > Also the PfR videos from my R&S 10 Day Bootcamp are available below:
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>http://www.ine.com/all-access-pass/training/playlist/ccie-rs-pfr-vsemina
>>>r
>>> >
>>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>> > bdennis_at_ine.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > INE, Inc.
>>> > http://www.INE.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> > To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> > Cc: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .
>>> >
>>> > They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced
>>> > multicast etc .
>>> >
>>> > so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.
>>> >
>>> > three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15
>>>starting
>>> > from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle , traffic
>>> > simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation , static
>>>route
>>> > injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported
>>> > only on 12.4(15)T + addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR
>>> PFR
>>> > etc .
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna
>>>days .
>>> > but PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press
>>>book
>>> > covers this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis
>>> > <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Narbik,
>>> > Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm
>>>kidding.
>>> > If
>>> > you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've
>>> been
>>> > teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5
>>>months
>>> > straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and
>>>what
>>> > they
>>> > want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.
>>> >
>>> > Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no
>>> dedicated
>>> > Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are going to be
>>> able
>>> > to
>>> > do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?
>>> >
>>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>> > bdennis_at_ine.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > INE, Inc.
>>> > http://www.INE.com
>>> >
>>> > From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>>> > To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>> > Cc: Ivan Hrvatska <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>,
>>> > Mohammad
>>> > Moghaddas <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>,
>>>marc
>>> > abel
>>> > <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>, Jay McMickle
>>> > <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>, Viet-Hung
>>>Ton
>>> > <vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno Silva
>>> > <boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>, Lazar Adrian
>>> > <adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>,
>>> > "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
>>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
>>> > <aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>> > Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>> >
>>> > Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in
>>>the
>>> > lab
>>> > today.
>>> >
>>> > Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis
>>> >
>>> > <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>> > A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
>>> session.
>>> > I'll post the link here.
>>> >
>>> > I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs
>>>as
>>> > even
>>> > though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot
>>>covered
>>> in
>>> > that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say
>>>OSPF or
>>> > MPLS
>>> > in the lab today.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>> >
>>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> >
>>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > http://www.INE.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
>>> > so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
>>> >
>>> > <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > Hi there.
>>> > Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>>> > Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is
>>> right
>>> >
>>> > now! The timer of ine.com/live <http://ine.com/live><
>>> http://ine.com/live>
>>> > is freezed on zero.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
>>> >
>>> > abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Brian,
>>> >
>>> > Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit
>>>my
>>> lab
>>> > the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> >
>>> > Marc
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
>>> >
>>> > Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
>>> > details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>>> > the
>>> > session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If
>>>you
>>> > can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
>>> > available for anyone to download.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>> >
>>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> >
>>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > http://www.INE.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still
>>>yet
>>> > to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>> > Sent from iJay
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
>>> >
>>> > Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>>> > everyone wants to be included?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
>>> >
>>> > Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Brian,
>>> >
>>> > Plz include me too.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> >
>>> > Viet
>>> >
>>> > ----- Mail original -----
>>> >
>>> > De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>
>>> > C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>> > Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com
>>> >>**,
>>> > "Brian Dennis"<
>>> >
>>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
>>> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> > EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>>> > Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>> >
>>> > Brian,
>>> >
>>> > I would like to be included as well.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Bruno
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
>>> >
>>> > Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear Brian
>>> >
>>> > Plz include me also.
>>> >
>>> > Thx
>>> > Aamir
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
>>> >
>>> > Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Brian,
>>> >
>>> > Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you!
>>> > Adrian
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
>>> >
>>> > Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
>>> > as
>>> > much
>>> > as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>>> > said
>>> >
>>> > I
>>> >
>>> > currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>> > bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
>>> > in
>>> > the
>>> >
>>> > lab
>>> >
>>> > exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
>>> > from
>>> > the
>>> > basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>>> > etc )
>>> >
>>> > and
>>> >
>>> > work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>>> > mode,
>>> > jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>>> > holing
>>> > traffic, etc).
>>> >
>>> > To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>>> > term,
>>> >
>>> > quirks
>>> >
>>> > with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>> >
>>> > learning
>>> >
>>> > PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>>> > throwing
>>> >
>>> > you
>>> >
>>> > the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>>> > need
>>> >
>>> > to
>>> >
>>> > truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>>> > want
>>> > to
>>> > learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>>> > Think
>>> > that will work? No.
>>> >
>>> > Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>> >
>>> > with a
>>> >
>>> > learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>>> > oer-map
>>> > should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
>>> > you
>>> >
>>> > need
>>> >
>>> > to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>>> > to
>>> > configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>>> > etc,
>>> > etc, etc.
>>> >
>>> > As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
>>> > to
>>> > the
>>> > fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
>>> > IOS
>>> > 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>>> > it
>>> >
>>> > can be
>>> >
>>> > complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
>>> > say
>>> >
>>> > that
>>> >
>>> > is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>>> > covered
>>> > in
>>> > the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>> >
>>> > documentation
>>> >
>>> > and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
>>> > in
>>> >
>>> > future
>>> >
>>> > releases.
>>> >
>>> > I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>> > decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
>>> > is
>>> > just
>>> > too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>>> > pages
>>> >
>>> > and
>>> >
>>> > I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>>> > would
>>> >
>>> > like
>>> >
>>> > a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>> >
>>> > Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>>> > charge
>>> > just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
>>> > It's
>>> > normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>>> > week
>>> >
>>> > and
>>> >
>>> > covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
>>> > after
>>> >
>>> > that
>>> >
>>> > I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
>>> > stop
>>> > by.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>> >
>>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> >
>>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > http://www.INE.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>> > since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
>>> > must
>>> > say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
>>> > is
>>> > really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>>> > without
>>> > any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>>> > understand
>>> > the
>>> > topic.
>>> > So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
>>> > at
>>> > exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>>> > complex
>>> > feature? The book says:
>>> > "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>> > powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>>> > options.
>>> > For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>>> > concepts
>>> > of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>> >
>>> > Thanks.
>>> >
>>> >
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