Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Thanks John. Good luck on your return of the CCIE lab. You should put
CCIE x2 in your signature when you pass as you'll have passed the R&S CCIE
lab twice ;-)

Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com

INE, Inc.
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On 5/23/12 7:52 PM, "john matijevic" <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>Excellent Video, I just got through almost 100% of part 1 of the
>series, very good explanation Brian thanks for sharing :)
>
>Regards
>John
>
>On 5/23/12, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>> Thanks! That's from our new Bellevue, WA location. This year we've
>>made
>> a big investment in our new office, studio and classroom along with over
>> $500,000 in additional racks. We're using the troubleshooting racks for
>> our new R&S CCIE Troubleshooting Bootcamp here this week. It can be an
>> eye opening experience for people when they have to work on 28 routers
>>and
>> 4 switches for the first time. Also the topologies you can create are
>> pretty cool: http://goo.gl/GjT4l
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com
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>> On 5/23/12 5:17 PM, "Sampath Weerasinghe" <swe20144_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>wow
>>>Nice studio!
>>>
>>>-Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's the whole point. OSPF is covered so much in various books,
>>>> classes, videos, etc and people have lot of real world experience with
>>>>it
>>>> that it's not as tough as a topic like PfR.
>>>>
>>>> Also the PfR videos from my R&S 10 Day Bootcamp are available below:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.ine.com/all-access-pass/training/playlist/ccie-rs-pfr-vsemin
>>>>ar
>>>>
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> INE, Inc.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>> To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>> Cc: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .
>>>>
>>>> They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced
>>>> multicast etc .
>>>>
>>>> so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.
>>>>
>>>> three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15
>>>>starting
>>>> from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle , traffic
>>>> simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation , static route
>>>> injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported
>>>> only on 12.4(15)T + addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR
>>>>PFR
>>>> etc .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna days
>>>>.
>>>> but PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press book
>>>> covers this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis
>>>> <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Narbik,
>>>> Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm
>>>>kidding.
>>>> If
>>>> you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've
>>>>been
>>>> teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5
>>>>months
>>>> straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and
>>>>what
>>>> they
>>>> want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.
>>>>
>>>> Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no
>>>>dedicated
>>>> Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are going to be
>>>>able
>>>> to
>>>> do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>>> Cc: Ivan Hrvatska <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>,
>>>> Mohammad
>>>> Moghaddas <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>,
>>>>marc
>>>> abel
>>>> <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>, Jay McMickle
>>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>, Viet-Hung Ton
>>>> <vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno Silva
>>>> <boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>, Lazar Adrian
>>>> <adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>,
>>>> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
>>>> <aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in
>>>>the
>>>> lab
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis
>>>>
>>>> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>> A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
>>>>session.
>>>> I'll post the link here.
>>>>
>>>> I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs
>>>>as
>>>> even
>>>> though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot
>>>>covered
>>>>in
>>>> that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF
>>>>or
>>>> MPLS
>>>> in the lab today.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>>
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> http://www.INE.com
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>>>>
>>>> On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
>>>> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
>>>>
>>>> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Hi there.
>>>> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>>>> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is
>>>>right
>>>>
>>>> now! The timer of ine.com/live
>>>><http://ine.com/live><http://ine.com/live>
>>>> is freezed on zero.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
>>>>
>>>> abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my
>>>>lab
>>>> the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
>>>>
>>>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
>>>> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>>>> the
>>>> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If
>>>>you
>>>> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
>>>> available for anyone to download.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>>>
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still
>>>>yet
>>>> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
>>>>
>>>> Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>>>> everyone wants to be included?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
>>>>
>>>> Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Plz include me too.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Viet
>>>>
>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>>
>>>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> Cc: "Lazar
>>>>Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>**,
>>>> "Brian Dennis"<
>>>>
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>>>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to be included as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Bruno
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
>>>>
>>>> Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Brian
>>>>
>>>> Plz include me also.
>>>>
>>>> Thx
>>>> Aamir
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
>>>>
>>>> Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
>>>>
>>>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
>>>> as
>>>> much
>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>>>> said
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> lab
>>>>
>>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
>>>> from
>>>> the
>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>>>> etc )
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>>>> mode,
>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>>>> holing
>>>> traffic, etc).
>>>>
>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>>>> term,
>>>>
>>>> quirks
>>>>
>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>>>
>>>> learning
>>>>
>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>>>> throwing
>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>>>> need
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>>>> want
>>>> to
>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>>>> Think
>>>> that will work? No.
>>>>
>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>>>
>>>> with a
>>>>
>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>>>> oer-map
>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> need
>>>>
>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>>>> to
>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>>>> etc,
>>>> etc, etc.
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
>>>> IOS
>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>> can be
>>>>
>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
>>>> say
>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>>>> covered
>>>> in
>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>>
>>>> documentation
>>>>
>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>> future
>>>>
>>>> releases.
>>>>
>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
>>>> is
>>>> just
>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>>>> pages
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>>>> would
>>>>
>>>> like
>>>>
>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>>>> charge
>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
>>>> It's
>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>>>> week
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
>>>> after
>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
>>>> stop
>>>> by.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>>>
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
>>>> must
>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
>>>> is
>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>>>> without
>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>>>> understand
>>>> the
>>>> topic.
>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
>>>> at
>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>>>> complex
>>>> feature? The book says:
>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>>>> options.
>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>>>> concepts
>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
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