Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

INE and us both had students passing before Brian did his lecture on this
topic. From what I hear it was a very good one, and I am sure it was. But
the lab content does not change because we had a 7  10 hour VoD on the
subject.

We do have labs on PFR in our workbooks, it's not that I totally ignored
the subject, but I don't see how PFR can have more weight than OSPF and or
MPLS. I can see how Cisco can drill you on MPLS/L3VPNs in the TS or even
configuration section, I can also see the same happening in OSPF, IPv6,
Multicasting, but I don't see that happening with PFR.

I see PFR having something like 3 to 5 points and I see this subject one of
those that you may or you may not get in your lab, whereas, OSPF is a topic
that you WILL see in the lab and it may have lots of other topics depending
on its proper configuration.

I agree with a class on PFR, I believe that it will work and it's a very
good idea. I think candidates MUST know every topic in the blueprint, this
includes the IP services and ADV Features, but understand that you can
easily pass the lab not knowing PFR, but I don't see that happening with
OSPF or some of the core topics.

BTW, this is just an opinion. I don't want the students to think that they
should not take the lab because they don't know PFR as deep as they should,
many students have passed this lab without even knowing PFR, and many have
passed the lab with knowing enough. I would treat it like HSRP, VRRP, GLBP,
IRDP, and or some of the topics in the IP services.

But as I said before, you should know every topic in the blueprint.

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:22 AM, john matijevic
<john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Team,
> Just my humble opionion as I have passed the lab prior the best way is
> to not leave a stone unturn, forget about hearsay and focus on the
> topics on the blueprint, if you don't pass you need to be expert with
> all topics on blueprint period! I would not bet on what you will or
> will not get on exam it's completely irrelevant. If I miss a topic on
> the LAB exam, and I fail, then I will go back and make sure that I
> understand what I missed that is what led me to pass the exam.
> Perserverance!!!
> Good Luck to studies for everyone including myself!!!
> I disagree with exam is designed to fail you, it's designed by Cisco
> Systems to certify you as an expert on their technologies!
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> On 5/23/12, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > I also can't break NDA but I will side with Brian.
> >
> > Narbik, from what I have seen from my 3 attempts in the last year is that
> > the notion that there are core topics, and other topics that " you
> probably
> > wont see much of" is not a view held by Cisco.
> >
> > Students should be well prepared for these "fringe" technologies such as
> > OER/PFR, EEM, IPv6 in all its flavors, SNMP, advanced services such as
> > tftp, logging, etc etc. On my first couple attempts I found myself well
> > prepared for the "core" but totally unprepared for some of the rest.
> >
> > Vendors would do well to quit doing a disservice to their customers and
> > giving them the false sense that Cisco is going to "fair" about these
> > topics. The exam today is designed to fail you. It hits you where
> > candidates are usually least prepared.
> >
> > -Marc
> >
> > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Carlos G Mendioroz
> > <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>wrote:
> >
> >> Narbik,
> >> I fail to see a valid (NDA) way you may have to be able to disagree.
> >>
> >> OSPF, MPLS and PfR are topics, and it is up to cisco to weight them in
> >> any
> >> given exam, and you should have no more than 2 or 3 old samples of what
> >> is
> >> really in there.
> >>
> >> Am I missing something here ?
> >> -Carlos
> >>
> >>
> >> Narbik Kocharians @ 23/05/2012 03:04 -0300 dixit:
> >>
> >>> Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in
> the
> >>> lab today.
> >>>
> >>> Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
> >>>> session.
> >>>> I'll post the link here.
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs
> as
> >>>> even though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot
> >>>> covered in that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR
> than
> >>>> say
> >>>> OSPF or MPLS in the lab today.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
> >>>>
> >>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>> http://www.INE.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
> >>>>> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
> >>>>> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi there.
> >>>>>> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
> >>>>>> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it
> is
> >>>>>> right
> >>>>>> now! The timer of ine.com/live is freezed on zero.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brian,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit
> >>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>> lab
> >>>>>>> the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Marc
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA.
> If
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the
> >>>>>>>> recording
> >>>>>>>> available for anyone to download.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/******Voice)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session.
> >>>>>>>> Still
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> yet
> >>>>>>>>> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from iJay
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing
> >>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> everyone wants to be included?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung Ton<vton_at_integra.fr>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Plz include me too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Viet
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Mail original -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>******, "Brian
> Dennis"<
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
> >>>>>>>>>>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Brian,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to be included as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruno
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir Aziz<
> aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Brian
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Plz include me also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thx
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Aamir
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> covered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10
> Day
> >>>>>>>>>>>> R&S
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points
> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lab
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> start
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manipulation,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc )
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fast
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mode,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for
> sink
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> holing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic, etc).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a
> better
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> term,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quirks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> throwing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> luck!".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will work? No.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An
> access-list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> oer-map
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> due
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> covered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR
> >>>>>>>>>>>> domains
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> future
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> releases.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but
> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> week
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> by.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210
> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/********
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edition,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PfR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> task
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature? The book says:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remarkably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concepts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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*Narbik Kocharians
*CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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