Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Team,
Just my humble opionion as I have passed the lab prior the best way is
to not leave a stone unturn, forget about hearsay and focus on the
topics on the blueprint, if you don't pass you need to be expert with
all topics on blueprint period! I would not bet on what you will or
will not get on exam it's completely irrelevant. If I miss a topic on
the LAB exam, and I fail, then I will go back and make sure that I
understand what I missed that is what led me to pass the exam.
Perserverance!!!
Good Luck to studies for everyone including myself!!!
I disagree with exam is designed to fail you, it's designed by Cisco
Systems to certify you as an expert on their technologies!

Regards,
John

On 5/23/12, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> I also can't break NDA but I will side with Brian.
>
> Narbik, from what I have seen from my 3 attempts in the last year is that
> the notion that there are core topics, and other topics that " you probably
> wont see much of" is not a view held by Cisco.
>
> Students should be well prepared for these "fringe" technologies such as
> OER/PFR, EEM, IPv6 in all its flavors, SNMP, advanced services such as
> tftp, logging, etc etc. On my first couple attempts I found myself well
> prepared for the "core" but totally unprepared for some of the rest.
>
> Vendors would do well to quit doing a disservice to their customers and
> giving them the false sense that Cisco is going to "fair" about these
> topics. The exam today is designed to fail you. It hits you where
> candidates are usually least prepared.
>
> -Marc
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Carlos G Mendioroz
> <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>wrote:
>
>> Narbik,
>> I fail to see a valid (NDA) way you may have to be able to disagree.
>>
>> OSPF, MPLS and PfR are topics, and it is up to cisco to weight them in
>> any
>> given exam, and you should have no more than 2 or 3 old samples of what
>> is
>> really in there.
>>
>> Am I missing something here ?
>> -Carlos
>>
>>
>> Narbik Kocharians @ 23/05/2012 03:04 -0300 dixit:
>>
>>> Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in the
>>> lab today.
>>>
>>> Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
>>>> session.
>>>> I'll post the link here.
>>>>
>>>> I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs as
>>>> even though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot
>>>> covered in that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than
>>>> say
>>>> OSPF or MPLS in the lab today.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>>>
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
>>>>> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
>>>>> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>>>>>> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> now! The timer of ine.com/live is freezed on zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>> the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the
>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>> available for anyone to download.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/******Voice)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session.
>>>>>>>> Still
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>>>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> everyone wants to be included?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung Ton<vton_at_integra.fr>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plz include me too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Viet
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>>>>>>>>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>******, "Brian Dennis"<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>>>>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>>>>>>>>>>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to be included as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Plz include me also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Aamir
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> covered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day
>>>>>>>>>>>> R&S
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manipulation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups,
>>>>>>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quirks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> throwing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> luck!".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will work? No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oer-map
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> covered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR
>>>>>>>>>>>> domains
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PfR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> task
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature? The book says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remarkably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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