Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

That's the whole point. OSPF is covered so much in various books,
classes, videos, etc and people have lot of real world experience with it
that it's not as tough as a topic like PfR.

Also the PfR videos from my R&S 10 Day Bootcamp are available below:

http://www.ine.com/all-access-pass/training/playlist/ccie-rs-pfr-vseminar

Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com

INE, Inc.
http://www.INE.com

From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
Cc: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .

They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced
multicast etc .

so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.

three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15 starting
from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle , traffic
simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation , static route
injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported
 only on 12.4(15)T + addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR PFR
etc .

Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna days .
but PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press book
covers this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis
<bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

Narbik,
Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm kidding.
If
you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've been
teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5 months
straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and what
they
want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.

Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no dedicated
Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are going to be able
to
do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?

Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com

INE, Inc.
http://www.INE.com

From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
Cc: Ivan Hrvatska <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>, Mohammad
Moghaddas <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>, marc
abel
<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>, Jay McMickle
<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>, Viet-Hung Ton
<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno Silva
<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>, Lazar Adrian
<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>,
"ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in the
lab
today.

Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis

<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the session.
I'll post the link here.

I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs as
even
though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot covered in
that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or
MPLS
in the lab today.

--
Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.INE.com
On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
Hello,
is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
<moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>  wrote:
Hi there.
Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is right
now! The timer of ine.com/live <http://ine.com/live><http://ine.com/live>
is freezed on zero.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>  wrote:
Brian,
Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my lab
the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
Thank you,
Marc
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>  wrote:
The session will be Wednesday May 16.  I'll get the sign-up link and
details out tomorrow.  I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
the
session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA.  If you
can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
available for anyone to download.
--
Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.INE.com
On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still yet
to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
Sent from iJay
On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>   wrote:
 I just see "include me" replays here :) What about  the thing where
everyone wants to be included?
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
 wrote:
Hi Brian,
Plz include me too.
Thank you,
Viet
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De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>
C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>**,
"Brian Dennis"<
bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
Brian,
I would like to be included as well.
Thank you,
Bruno
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
 wrote:
 Dear Brian
Plz include me also.
Thx
Aamir
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>
 wrote:
 Hi Brian,
Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
Thank you!
Adrian
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
 wrote:
 Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
as
much
as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
said
I
currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
in
the
lab
 exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
from
the
basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static&   BGP route manipulation,
etc )
and
work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
mode,
jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
holing
traffic, etc).
To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
term,
quirks
with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
learning
PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
throwing
you
the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
need
to
truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
want
to
learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
Think
that will work? No.
Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
with a
learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
oer-map
should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
you
need
to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
to
configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
etc,
etc, etc.
As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
to
the
fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
IOS
12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
it
can be
complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
say
that
is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
covered
in
the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
documentation
and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
in
future
releases.
I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
is
just
too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
pages
and
I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
would
like
a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
charge
just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
It's
normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
week
and
covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
after
that
I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
stop
by.
--
Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.INE.com
On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
 Hi,
I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
must
say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
is
really poor. One config example without any explanations and
without
any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
understand
the
topic.
So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
at
exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
complex
feature? The book says:
"As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
options.
For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
concepts
of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
Thanks.
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