Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

wow Brian,

that will be Awesome..!! please include me as well..

thanks in advance.

Nethan

On 5/24/2012 8:12 AM, Brian Dennis wrote:
> Thanks! It was my first online session in a while. I really enjoyed it and
> I'm going to try to do two more sessions next week. One covering how to
> prepare for the lab and another covering a technical topic. If anyone has
> any requests let me know. I was thinking of just doing a walk through of one
> of the new troubleshooting labs that uses 32 devices.
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_ine.com
>
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> From: Mangala Rupasinghe<pmangala_at_hotmail.com<mailto:pmangala_at_hotmail.com>>
> To: Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> Subject: RE: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>
>
> Pretty Awesome....!!!
>
> Very Informative session!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>> From: bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> To: immrccie_at_gmail.com<mailto:immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 19:08:26 -0500
>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>> That's the whole point. OSPF is covered so much in various books,
>> classes, videos, etc and people have lot of real world experience with it
>> that it's not as tough as a topic like PfR.
>>
>> Also the PfR videos from my R&S 10 Day Bootcamp are available below:
>>
>> http://www.ine.com/all-access-pass/training/playlist/ccie-rs-pfr-vseminar
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>>
>> INE, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Imran Ali<immrccie_at_gmail.com<mailto:immrccie_at_gmail.com>>
>> To: Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> Cc: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>>
>> students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .
>>
>> They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced
>> multicast etc .
>>
>> so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.
>>
>> three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15 starting
>> from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle , traffic
>> simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation , static route
>> injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported
>> only on 12.4(15)T + addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR PFR
>> etc .
>>
>>
>> Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna days .
>> but PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press book
>> covers this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis
>> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Narbik,
>> Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm kidding.
>> If
>> you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've been
>> teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5 months
>> straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and what
>> they
>> want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.
>>
>> Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no dedicated
>> Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are going to be able
>> to
>> do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>>
>> INE, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>> From: Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com><mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>> To: Brian Dennis
> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com><mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> Cc: Ivan Hrvatska
> <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com><mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>,
> Mohammad
>> Moghaddas
> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com><mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gm
> ail.com>>, marc
>> abel
>> <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com><mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>,
> Jay McMickle
> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com><mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_ya
> hoo.com>>, Viet-Hung Ton
>> <vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr><mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno
> Silva
> <boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com><mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.co
> m>>, Lazar Adrian
> <adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com><mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail
> .com>>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com><mailto:ccielab_at_groupst
> udy.com>"
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com><mailto:ccielab_at_groupst
> udy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
> <aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com><mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>> Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in the
>> lab
>> today.
>>
>> Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis
>>
>> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com><mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the session.
>> I'll post the link here.
>>
>> I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs as
>> even
>> though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot covered in
>> that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or
>> MPLS
>> in the lab today.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com><mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
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>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>> On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
>> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
>>
>>
> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com><mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gm
> ail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi there.
>> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is right
>>
>> now! The timer of ine.com/live<http://ine.com/live><http://ine.com/live>
>> is freezed on zero.
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
>>
>>
> abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com><mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>> Brian,
>>
>> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my lab
>> the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
>>
>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com><mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
> wrote:
>> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
>> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>> the
>> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If you
>> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
>> available for anyone to download.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com><mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>
>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still yet
>> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>> Sent from iJay
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
>>
>>
> Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com><mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.
> com>> wrote:
>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>> everyone wants to be included?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
>>
>> Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr><mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Plz include me too.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Viet
>>
>> ----- Mail original -----
>>
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> ail.com>>
>> C: "Aamir
> Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com><mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.
> com>>
>> Cc: "Lazar
> Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com><mailto:adrianlaza
> r_at_gmail.com>>**,
>> "Brian Dennis"<
>>
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com><mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
>>
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> dy.com>
>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I would like to be included as well.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bruno
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
>>
>>
> Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com><mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.c
> om>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Brian
>>
>> Plz include me also.
>>
>> Thx
>> Aamir
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
>>
>>
> Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com><mailto:adrianlazar
> @gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
>>
>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com><mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
>> as
>> much
>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>> said
>>
>> I
>>
>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
>> in
>> the
>>
>> lab
>>
>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
>> from
>> the
>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>> etc )
>>
>> and
>>
>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>> mode,
>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>> holing
>> traffic, etc).
>>
>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>> term,
>>
>> quirks
>>
>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>
>> learning
>>
>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>> throwing
>>
>> you
>>
>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>> need
>>
>> to
>>
>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>> want
>> to
>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>> Think
>> that will work? No.
>>
>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>
>> with a
>>
>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>> oer-map
>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
>> you
>>
>> need
>>
>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>> to
>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>> etc,
>> etc, etc.
>>
>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
>> to
>> the
>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
>> IOS
>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>> it
>>
>> can be
>>
>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
>> say
>>
>> that
>>
>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>> covered
>> in
>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>
>> documentation
>>
>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
>> in
>>
>> future
>>
>> releases.
>>
>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
>> is
>> just
>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>> pages
>>
>> and
>>
>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>> would
>>
>> like
>>
>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>
>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>> charge
>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
>> It's
>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>> week
>>
>> and
>>
>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
>> after
>>
>> that
>>
>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
>> stop
>> by.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>
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>>
>>
>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
>> must
>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
>> is
>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>> without
>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>> understand
>> the
>> topic.
>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
>> at
>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>> complex
>> feature? The book says:
>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>> options.
>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>> concepts
>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>
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>>
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