Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Holy Crap that looks ferocious Brian!

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On 5/23/2012 7:45 PM, Brian Dennis wrote:
> Thanks! That's from our new Bellevue, WA location. This year we've made
> a big investment in our new office, studio and classroom along with over
> $500,000 in additional racks. We're using the troubleshooting racks for
> our new R&S CCIE Troubleshooting Bootcamp here this week. It can be an
> eye opening experience for people when they have to work on 28 routers and
> 4 switches for the first time. Also the topologies you can create are
> pretty cool: http://goo.gl/GjT4l
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> On 5/23/12 5:17 PM, "Sampath Weerasinghe"<swe20144_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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>> wow
>> Nice studio!
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>> -Sam
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>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's the whole point. OSPF is covered so much in various books,
>>> classes, videos, etc and people have lot of real world experience with
>>> it
>>> that it's not as tough as a topic like PfR.
>>>
>>> Also the PfR videos from my R&S 10 Day Bootcamp are available below:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ine.com/all-access-pass/training/playlist/ccie-rs-pfr-vseminar
>>>
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>>>
>>> From: Imran Ali<immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> To: Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> Cc: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>
>>>
>>> students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .
>>>
>>> They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced
>>> multicast etc .
>>>
>>> so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.
>>>
>>> three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15 starting
>>> from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle , traffic
>>> simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation , static route
>>> injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported
>>> only on 12.4(15)T + addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR
>>> PFR
>>> etc .
>>>
>>>
>>> Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna days .
>>> but PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press book
>>> covers this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis
>>> <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Narbik,
>>> Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm kidding.
>>> If
>>> you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've
>>> been
>>> teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5 months
>>> straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and what
>>> they
>>> want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.
>>>
>>> Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no
>>> dedicated
>>> Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are going to be
>>> able
>>> to
>>> do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?
>>>
>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
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>>> From: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>>> To: Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>> Cc: Ivan Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>,
>>> Mohammad
>>> Moghaddas<moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>, marc
>>> abel
>>> <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>, Jay McMickle
>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>, Viet-Hung Ton
>>> <vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno Silva
>>> <boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>, Lazar Adrian
>>> <adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>,
>>> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
>>> <aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>
>>> Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in the
>>> lab
>>> today.
>>>
>>> Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis
>>>
>>> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>> A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
>>> session.
>>> I'll post the link here.
>>>
>>> I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs as
>>> even
>>> though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot covered
>>> in
>>> that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or
>>> MPLS
>>> in the lab today.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>
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>>> On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
>>> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
>>>
>>> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi there.
>>> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>>> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is
>>> right
>>>
>>> now! The timer of ine.com/live
>>> <http://ine.com/live><http://ine.com/live>
>>> is freezed on zero.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
>>>
>>> abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my
>>> lab
>>> the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
>>>
>>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
>>> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>>> the
>>> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If you
>>> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
>>> available for anyone to download.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still yet
>>> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>> Sent from iJay
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
>>>
>>> Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>>> everyone wants to be included?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
>>>
>>> Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> Plz include me too.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Viet
>>>
>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>
>>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>
>>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>> Cc: "Lazar
>>> Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>**,
>>> "Brian Dennis"<
>>>
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> I would like to be included as well.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Bruno
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
>>>
>>> Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Brian
>>>
>>> Plz include me also.
>>>
>>> Thx
>>> Aamir
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
>>>
>>> Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
>>>
>>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
>>> as
>>> much
>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>>> said
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
>>> in
>>> the
>>>
>>> lab
>>>
>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
>>> from
>>> the
>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>>> etc )
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>>> mode,
>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>>> holing
>>> traffic, etc).
>>>
>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>>> term,
>>>
>>> quirks
>>>
>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>>
>>> learning
>>>
>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>>> throwing
>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>>> need
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>>> want
>>> to
>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>>> Think
>>> that will work? No.
>>>
>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>>
>>> with a
>>>
>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>>> oer-map
>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
>>> you
>>>
>>> need
>>>
>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>>> to
>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>>> etc,
>>> etc, etc.
>>>
>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
>>> to
>>> the
>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
>>> IOS
>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>>> it
>>>
>>> can be
>>>
>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
>>> say
>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>>> covered
>>> in
>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>
>>> documentation
>>>
>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
>>> in
>>>
>>> future
>>>
>>> releases.
>>>
>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
>>> is
>>> just
>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>>> pages
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>>> would
>>>
>>> like
>>>
>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>
>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>>> charge
>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
>>> It's
>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>>> week
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
>>> after
>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
>>> stop
>>> by.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
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>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
>>> must
>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
>>> is
>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>>> without
>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>>> understand
>>> the
>>> topic.
>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
>>> at
>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>>> complex
>>> feature? The book says:
>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>>> options.
>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>>> concepts
>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>
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