Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
session. I'll post the link here.

I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs as
even though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot
covered in that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than
say OSPF or MPLS in the lab today.

-- 
Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.INE.com
On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
> Hello,
>
> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Hi there.
>> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is right
>> now! The timer of ine.com/live is freezed on zero.
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my lab
>>> the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The session will be Wednesday May 16.  I'll get the sign-up link and
>>>> details out tomorrow.  I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>>>> the
>>>> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA.  If you
>>>> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
>>>> available for anyone to download.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>>>
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still yet
>>>>> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I just see "include me" replays here :) What about  the thing where
>>>>>> everyone wants to be included?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung Ton<vton_at_integra.fr>
>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plz include me too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Viet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>>>>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>**, "Brian Dennis"<
>>>
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>,
>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>>>>>>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to be included as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Dear Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plz include me also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thx
>>>>>>>> Aamir
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>>>>>>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static&   BGP route manipulation,
>>>>>>>>>> etc )
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>>>>>>>>>> mode,
>>>>>>>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>>>>>>>>>> holing
>>>>>>>>>> traffic, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>>>>>>>>>> term,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> quirks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> learning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>>>>>>>>> throwing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>>>>>>>>>> Think
>>>>>>>>>> that will work? No.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>>>>>>>>>> oer-map
>>>>>>>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>>>>>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>>>>>> etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
>>>>>>>>>> IOS
>>>>>>>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>>>>>>>>> covered
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>>>>>>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>>>>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>> by.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>>>>>>>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
>>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>>>>>>>>>>> complex
>>>>>>>>>>> feature? The book says:
>>>>>>>>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>>>>>>>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>>>>>>>>>>> options.
>>>>>>>>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>>>>>>>>>>> concepts
>>>>>>>>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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