Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .

They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced multicast
etc .

so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.

three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15 starting
from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle , traffic
simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation , static route
injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported only on 12.4(15)T +
addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR PFR etc .

Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna days . but
PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press book covers
this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Narbik,
> Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm kidding.
> If
> you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've been
> teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5 months
> straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and what
> they
> want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.
>
> Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no dedicated
> Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are going to be able
> to
> do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_ine.com
>
> INE, Inc.
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>
> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
> To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
> Cc: Ivan Hrvatska <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>,
> Mohammad
> Moghaddas <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>, marc
> abel
> <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>, Jay McMickle
> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>, Viet-Hung Ton
> <vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno Silva
> <boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>, Lazar Adrian
> <adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
> <aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>
> Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in the
> lab
> today.
>
> Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis
> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the session.
> I'll post the link here.
>
> I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs as
> even
> though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot covered in
> that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or
> MPLS
> in the lab today.
>
> --
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>
> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
>
>
> On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
> Hello,
>
> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi there.
> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is right
> now! The timer of ine.com/live<http://ine.com/live> is freezed on zero.
>
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
> abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my lab
> the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marc
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>
> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
> the
> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If you
> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
> available for anyone to download.
>
> --
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>
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>
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>
>
> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>
> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still yet
> to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
> Sent from iJay
>
> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
> Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
> everyone wants to be included?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
> Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Plz include me too.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Viet
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>
> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
> Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>**,
> "Brian Dennis"<
>
> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>
> Brian,
>
> I would like to be included as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Bruno
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
> Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Brian
>
> Plz include me also.
>
> Thx
> Aamir
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
> Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>
> Thank you!
> Adrian
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
> as
> much
> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
> said
>
> I
>
> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
> in
> the
>
> lab
>
> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
> from
> the
> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
> etc )
>
> and
>
> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
> mode,
> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
> holing
> traffic, etc).
>
> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
> term,
>
> quirks
>
> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>
> learning
>
> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
> throwing
>
> you
>
> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
> need
>
> to
>
> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
> want
> to
> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
> Think
> that will work? No.
>
> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>
> with a
>
> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
> oer-map
> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
> you
>
> need
>
> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
> to
> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
> etc,
> etc, etc.
>
> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
> to
> the
> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
> IOS
> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
> it
>
> can be
>
> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
> say
>
> that
>
> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
> covered
> in
> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>
> documentation
>
> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
> in
>
> future
>
> releases.
>
> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
> is
> just
> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
> pages
>
> and
>
> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
> would
>
> like
>
> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>
> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
> charge
> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
> It's
> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
> week
>
> and
>
> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
> after
>
> that
>
> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
> stop
> by.
>
> --
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>
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>
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>
>
> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
> must
> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
> is
> really poor. One config example without any explanations and
> without
> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
> understand
> the
> topic.
> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
> at
> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
> complex
> feature? The book says:
> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
> options.
> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
> concepts
> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>
> Thanks.
>
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