Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Hello,

Brian Dennis nice topology i did saw it before at Cisco ;)

learned too much from me attempt.

Thanks,

Mohamed A. Abbas

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Mohamed A. Abbas
<m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
> Actually, what I see after the first attempt and failing in that attempt
> with my full respect to all vendors one thing I don't care what I will have
> on my exam but what I care for that I am already know every thing in the
> blueprint and hold the all vendors books study this from vendor one and
> then take a look at vendor two and also Brian McGahan mentioned it many
> many times and also Scott and Brian Dennis and many many experts no way you
> have to sit down and read and one thing to mention here when you read
> through the all topic you already clear it in all expert level certs bgp is
> same that's the end so sit down and read there's no magic will let you get
> it even if you use the dump the point behind getting the number is to be
> really expert not paper CCIE and this wont done by watching videos or
> reading notes you have to sit down and hold your book and your pen and
> white paper and keep writing and taking notes then lab them create your own
> scenarios even in PFR MPLS any any thing I passed my config section and
> failed on Trouble shooting for 3 tickets and i did it this way and studying
> again and will be in soon what I learned from the CCIE's with not one but
> the CCIEx5 or any times of expert the key is in sitting down and read and
> understand why this and why that but id u study the whole thing once very
> well u will not study it again and we can see this very well in the core
> topics of SP and RS so with my full respect to all all topics important i
> wont pass any thing and go throw slowly and if u think its a long way nope
> sorry its just 8 hours at the end to get recorded in the world data base
> special thanks to the Brians of INE the learned me this from their posts
> videos and WB.
>
> and to god be with all us
>
> Thanks,
> Mohamed A. Abbas
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Sampath Weerasinghe
<swe20144_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> wow
>> Nice studio!
>>
>> -Sam
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>> > That's the whole point. OSPF is covered so much in various books,
>> > classes, videos, etc and people have lot of real world experience with
>> it
>> > that it's not as tough as a topic like PfR.
>> >
>> > Also the PfR videos from my R&S 10 Day Bootcamp are available below:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.ine.com/all-access-pass/training/playlist/ccie-rs-pfr-vseminar
>> >
>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> > bdennis_at_ine.com
>> >
>> >
>> > INE, Inc.
>> > http://www.INE.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>> > To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> > Cc: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>> >
>> >
>> > students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .
>> >
>> > They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced
>> > multicast etc .
>> >
>> > so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.
>> >
>> > three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15 starting
>> > from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle , traffic
>> > simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation , static route
>> > injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported
>> > only on 12.4(15)T + addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR
>> PFR
>> > etc .
>> >
>> >
>> > Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna days .
>> > but PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press book
>> > covers this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis
>> > <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Narbik,
>> > Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm kidding.
>> > If
>> > you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've
>> been
>> > teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5 months
>> > straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and what
>> > they
>> > want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.
>> >
>> > Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no
>> dedicated
>> > Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are going to be
>> able
>> > to
>> > do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?
>> >
>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> > bdennis_at_ine.com
>> >
>> >
>> > INE, Inc.
>> > http://www.INE.com
>> >
>> > From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>> > To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> > Cc: Ivan Hrvatska <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>,
>> > Mohammad
>> > Moghaddas <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>, marc
>> > abel
>> > <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>, Jay McMickle
>> > <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>, Viet-Hung Ton
>> > <vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno Silva
>> > <boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>, Lazar Adrian
>> > <adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>,
>> > "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
>> > <aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>> > Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>> >
>> > Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in the
>> > lab
>> > today.
>> >
>> > Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis
>> >
>> > <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> > A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
>> session.
>> > I'll post the link here.
>> >
>> > I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs as
>> > even
>> > though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a lot covered
>> in
>> > that time. Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or
>> > MPLS
>> > in the lab today.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> >
>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > http://www.INE.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
>> > so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
>> >
>> > <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Hi there.
>> > Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>> > Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is
>> right
>> >
>> > now! The timer of ine.com/live <http://ine.com/live><
>> http://ine.com/live>
>> > is freezed on zero.
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
>> >
>> > abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Brian,
>> >
>> > Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit my
>> lab
>> > the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
>> >
>> > Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
>> > details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>> > the
>> > session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If you
>> > can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
>> > available for anyone to download.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>> >
>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > http://www.INE.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>> >
>> > Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still yet
>> > to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>> > Sent from iJay
>> >
>> > On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
>> >
>> > Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>> > everyone wants to be included?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
>> >
>> > Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Brian,
>> >
>> > Plz include me too.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > Viet
>> >
>> > ----- Mail original -----
>> >
>> > De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>
>> > C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>> > Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com
>> >>**,
>> > "Brian Dennis"<
>> >
>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
>> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>> > Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>> >
>> > Brian,
>> >
>> > I would like to be included as well.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Bruno
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
>> >
>> > Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Brian
>> >
>> > Plz include me also.
>> >
>> > Thx
>> > Aamir
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
>> >
>> > Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Brian,
>> >
>> > Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> > Adrian
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
>> >
>> > Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
>> > as
>> > much
>> > as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>> > said
>> >
>> > I
>> >
>> > currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>> > bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
>> > in
>> > the
>> >
>> > lab
>> >
>> > exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
>> > from
>> > the
>> > basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>> > etc )
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>> > mode,
>> > jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>> > holing
>> > traffic, etc).
>> >
>> > To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>> > term,
>> >
>> > quirks
>> >
>> > with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>> >
>> > learning
>> >
>> > PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>> > throwing
>> >
>> > you
>> >
>> > the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>> > need
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>> > want
>> > to
>> > learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>> > Think
>> > that will work? No.
>> >
>> > Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>> >
>> > with a
>> >
>> > learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>> > oer-map
>> > should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
>> > you
>> >
>> > need
>> >
>> > to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>> > to
>> > configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>> > etc,
>> > etc, etc.
>> >
>> > As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
>> > to
>> > the
>> > fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
>> > IOS
>> > 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>> > it
>> >
>> > can be
>> >
>> > complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
>> > say
>> >
>> > that
>> >
>> > is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>> > covered
>> > in
>> > the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>> >
>> > documentation
>> >
>> > and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains
>> > in
>> >
>> > future
>> >
>> > releases.
>> >
>> > I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>> > decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
>> > is
>> > just
>> > too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>> > pages
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>> > would
>> >
>> > like
>> >
>> > a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>> >
>> > Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>> > charge
>> > just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
>> > It's
>> > normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>> > week
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
>> > after
>> >
>> > that
>> >
>> > I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
>> > stop
>> > by.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>> >
>> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > http://www.INE.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>> > since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
>> > must
>> > say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
>> > is
>> > really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>> > without
>> > any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>> > understand
>> > the
>> > topic.
>> > So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
>> > at
>> > exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>> > complex
>> > feature? The book says:
>> > "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>> > powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>> > options.
>> > For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>> > concepts
>> > of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >
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