RE: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Brian,

I did not get to watch the whole class live so it is just great that you are
making the free to view.

I heard a rumor that you may be thinking of an online class over a few days
for OER/PfR in the future. Anything further on that?

Andy

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From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Dennis
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:46 PM
To: Sampath Weerasinghe; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Thanks! That's from our new Bellevue, WA location. This year we've made a
big investment in our new office, studio and classroom along with over
$500,000 in additional racks. We're using the troubleshooting racks for our
new R&S CCIE Troubleshooting Bootcamp here this week. It can be an eye
opening experience for people when they have to work on 28 routers and
4 switches for the first time. Also the topologies you can create are
pretty cool: http://goo.gl/GjT4l

Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice) bdennis_at_ine.com

INE, Inc.
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On 5/23/12 5:17 PM, "Sampath Weerasinghe" <swe20144_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>wow
>Nice studio!
>
>-Sam
>
>
>On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> That's the whole point. OSPF is covered so much in various books,
>>classes, videos, etc and people have lot of real world experience with
>>it that it's not as tough as a topic like PfR.
>>
>> Also the PfR videos from my R&S 10 Day Bootcamp are available below:
>>
>>
>>http://www.ine.com/all-access-pass/training/playlist/ccie-rs-pfr-vsemi
>>nar
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>
>>
>> INE, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>> To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> Cc: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>>
>> students are very much comfrotable with mpls , bgp and ospf .
>>
>> They are scared of topics like PFR , EEM , nested QOS, advanced
>> multicast etc .
>>
>> so more vendor labs for these topics are needed.
>>
>> three labs for PFR is way too low . there should be atleast 15
>>starting from basic setup , seprate lab covering each phase of cycle
>>, traffic simulation to create congestion lab , link utilisation ,
>>static route injection , PFR with QOS , feature supported
>> only on 12.4(15)T + addtitional features covered on 12.4(20)T . PBR
>>PFR etc .
>>
>>
>> Pleae dont compare PFR with ospf . we are seeing ospf since ccna days .
>> but PFR is new , more powerfull , more difficult , no cisco press
>> book covers this topic . Very few has implemented in real world .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Narbik,
>> Look at the replies to your comment here on GS if you think I'm kidding.
>> If
>> you still think I'm kidding then you're a little out of touch. I've
>>been
>> teaching 15 to 20+ students every week for nearly the past 4 or 5 months
>> straight. The amount of questions students have regarding PfR and what
>> they
>> want covered isn't something that is being taken lightly by Cisco.
>>
>> Cisco states that the CCIE lab has 5 routers, 4 switches and no
>>dedicated Frame-Relay switch. How much MPLS do you think they are
>>going to be able to do in the configuration portion of the lab exam?
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>
>>
>> INE, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>
>> To: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> Cc: Ivan Hrvatska <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>>,
>> Mohammad
>> Moghaddas <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>>,
>> marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>, Jay
>> McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>,
>> Viet-Hung Ton <vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>, Bruno Silva
>> <boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>, Lazar Adrian
>> <adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>,
>> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>, Aamir Aziz
>> <aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>> Someone could easily see more points in PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in
>> the lab today.
>>
>> Totally disagree with that statement. You must be kidding.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Brian Dennis
>>
>> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> A newsletter will be going out tomorrow with the link to view the
>>session.
>> I'll post the link here.
>>
>> I want to do a three or five day online class covering PfR with labs
>>as even though the seminar ran a full day I felt pressured to get a
>>lot covered in that time. Someone could easily see more points in
>>PfR than say OSPF or MPLS in the lab today.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>> On 05/22/2012 08:10 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> is this seminar posted somewhere online? I have lab exam 19th oh June
>> so it would be nice to check this topic. Thanks.
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas
>>
>> <moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com<mailto:moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi there.
>> Sorry but I'm confused. When does the seminar start?
>> Brian said that it will be on May 16th, but INE's reminder says it is
>>right
>>
>> now! The timer of ine.com/live
>><http://ine.com/live><http://ine.com/live>
>> is freezed on zero.
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM, marc
>>
>> abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Maybe I missed it but did you ever send out the sign-up link? I sit
>>my lab the 18th so I sure would love to sit on your session the 16th.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Brian
>>
>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>
>> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
>> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>> the session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA.
>> If you can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the
>> recording available for anyone to download.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>>
>>
>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>
>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still
>> yet to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>> Sent from iJay
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan
>>
>> Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com<mailto:ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>> everyone wants to be included?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung
>>
>> Ton<vton_at_integra.fr<mailto:vton_at_integra.fr>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Plz include me too.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Viet
>>
>> ----- Mail original -----
>>
>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com<mailto:boss.silva_at_gmail.com>>
>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>> Cc: "Lazar
>>Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>**,
>> "Brian Dennis"<
>>
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>,
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I would like to be included as well.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bruno
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir
>>
>> Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com<mailto:aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Brian
>>
>> Plz include me also.
>>
>> Thx
>> Aamir
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar
>>
>> Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com<mailto:adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian
>>
>> Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as
>> much as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That
>> being said
>>
>> I
>>
>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in
>> the
>>
>> lab
>>
>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from
>> the
>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>> etc )
>>
>> and
>>
>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>> mode, jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>> holing traffic, etc).
>>
>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
>>
>> quirks
>>
>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>
>> learning
>>
>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just throwing
>>
>> you
>>
>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>> need
>>
>> to
>>
>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I want
>> to learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>> Think
>> that will work? No.
>>
>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>
>> with a
>>
>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>> oer-map should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn
>> list you
>>
>> need
>>
>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>> to configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>> etc, etc, etc.
>>
>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to
>> the fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in
>> IOS 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>> it
>>
>> can be
>>
>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
>>
>> that
>>
>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently covered
>> in the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>
>> documentation
>>
>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
>>
>> future
>>
>> releases.
>>
>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is
>> just too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>> pages
>>
>> and
>>
>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone would
>>
>> like
>>
>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>
>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>> charge just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my
>> bootcamp.
>> It's
>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>> week
>>
>> and
>>
>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
>>
>> that
>>
>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop
>> by.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand
>> the topic.
>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
>> feature? The book says:
>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>> options.
>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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