From: Ben Holko (ben.holko@datacom.com.au)
Date: Fri Dec 07 2007 - 21:53:24 ART
3000+ people have dropped it for the same reasons as they drop any other certs;
moved on in their career to another field, CCIE not required anymore (this was me with MCSE NT4 years back, never refreshed it as I moved out of M$ land)
moved up in their career into management, not required anymore (my general manager at work has a CCIE, it expires in Jan, doubtful if he will refresh it)
some will have died
some will have retired
some will not be bothered renewing
and some will be so valued within their organisation that the certification is no longer required as "proof"
just my thoughts!
Ben
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Darby Weaver
Sent: Sat 8/12/2007 10:23 AM
To: Ramya S; Tandou Mohamed; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: magic numbers
The CCIE will not lose value as long as CCIE's can
show that value.
As some of you have pointed out quite clearly, the
number of CCIE's in most countries is rare.
Therefore if a CCIE is strong and knowledgeable in his
area of specialization then the problem with many
clueless CCIE is not really a problem.
In the US/Europe say less than 70 CCIE's made it out
of the last 500 from the well-known vendors on this
list. Let's say another 55 or so made it else-wise
(rare but possible or may use a vendor but may not
report their passing to one of the vendors). That is
only 25% of the total and is representative of the
total number of CCIE's actually passing in the Western
Hemisphere more or less.
The issue of credibility is less likely to be seen in
the West.
Now the question of the East comes to play - and this
is Cisco's problem more than anyone on this list.
That is, are all those CCIE's (say 75% of the total)
all really able to perform at the level of a CCIE on a
day-to-day basis and maintain the value of the
certification in countries like China and India?
If they are working as hard as many on this list and
we have to hope they are, then actual numbers will
never be an issue in the first place.
The only problem is when a CCIE from the Lab is
out-performed by a CCNA fresh from the Cisco Academy.
I only mention that since I've read it a few times
here and there.
Otherwise if there are 50,000 CCIE's, then this is not
even a problem.
But as Narbik mentioned only about 16,000 or less
CCIE's are currently active anyway.
So the number seems to be about the same.
But we all have to ask ourselves why 3000+ CCIE's gave
up the certification, especially considering the
current modest recertification requirements in effect.
That my friends is a serious question. Did they
become principals somewhere and live happily ever
after? Did some retire? Did some find out that a
CCIE hat was not their cup of tea?
I suspect than some of the current CCIE's may be in a
similar pickle as some of the inactive CCIE's. I
would hope not but one never knows for sure.
--- Ramya S <ramya_1975@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It does not matter if you hold multiple ccie's or
> there are growing number of
> ccie's. Your experience and knowledge depth is the
> most important thing. I am
> sure many companies will start to prefer people with
> more experience.
>
> Regards
> Dr Ramya Sen
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:57:34 -0800> From:
> dtandou@yahoo.com> Subject: Re:
> RE: magic numbers> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com> > The
> only reason the ccie
> numbers are growing because there are a lot
> resources available now than it
> used to be. and also the cost to put a lab together
> went down. routers cost
> less now on ebay than they used to be. Since .COM
> went away everything is
> cheap now. everybody can afford rack rental. Some
> people don't even have to
> buy routers or rent a rack because of DYNAMIPS. Now
> all colege students and
> high school students want to be CCIE because there
> is more money to make.
> don't worry the number will be high. Just be a
> double CCIE or triple CCIE to
> make a difference if you are realy conerned about
> the number going high> Just
> my thought.> > Peace up> > > Gary Duncanson
> <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> wrote:> Can I have one of these dumb managers please
> who are about to get laid
> off?> > Everyone I ever worked for knew their stuff
> :)> ----- Original Message
> ----- > From: "dara tomar" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent:
> Friday, December 07, 2007
> 5:19 PM> Subject: Re: RE: magic numbers> > > >
> *hehehehehe............ :) :)
> :)> > > > Yeh Michael, that's
> true...................... :) :) :)> > > >
> Regards,> > Dara> > *> > On Dec 7, 2007 9:49 PM,
> wrote:> > > >> Excellent
> point my friend, the days of telling your manager
> that it will> >> take a
> couple of days to add some routes are coming to an
> end.> >>> >> :)> >>> >>> >>
> Michael Jones> >> Network Engineer> >> Global
> Network Operations> >> Dell Inc.
> | Information Technology> >> W. 512.723.3268 | C.
> 512.966.6908> >>> >>
> -----Original Message-----> >> From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of> >>
> Colin McNamara> >> Sent:
> Friday, December 07, 2007 10:12 AM> >> To: Cisco
> certification> >> Subject:
> RE: RE: magic numbers> >>> >> One interesting
> statistic I would like to see is
> the> >> distribution of ages across tracks. My guess
> is that will just over
> 10> >> years in the program, the first CCIE's have
> migrated into the
> management> >> / principle consultant ranks. Once
> 2010-2011 rolls around the
> "CCIE baby> >> boom" of> >> 2000-2001 should be
> working their way into
> management.> >>> >> Everybody sounds very afraid of
> a large number of new
> CCIE's> >> competing with them for engineering jobs
> in the market place, while
> what> >> I think we should really be worried about
> is having managers that
> know> >> just a little to much.> >>> >> --> >> Colin
> McNamara> >>
> (858)208-8105> >> CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH> >>
> http://www.2cups.com <http://www.2cups.com/> > >>> >> "The
> difficult we do immediately, the impossible just
> takes a little> >> longer">
> >>> >> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 20:20 -0500, Paul
> Dardinski wrote:> >> > Darby,>
> >> >> >> > Please note that I am absolutely certain
> that Cisco will not allow
> the> >>> >> > cert to be devalued. Whenever the
> magic number hits 30k or
> whatever is> >>> >> > really irrelevant. It's a very
> difficult test and quite
> highly valued> >> > in the industry and this has
> basically caused a larger
> number to> >> pursue it.> >> >> >> >> >> > As has
> been said before here, it's
> not so much what the number is vs.> >> > what it
> means. Honestly I haven't met
> too many CCIE's who didn't know> >> > what they were
> talking about. Yes, there
> will always be a few bad> >> > apples, but in the
> end it's only a milestone,
> not an> >> > ending.....besides...there will always
> be room for
> differentiation by> >> > dual-cert, etc.> >> >> >> >
> PD (#16842)> >> >> >> >
> -----Original Message-----> >> > From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf> >> > Of
> Darby Weaver> >> > Sent:
> Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:13 PM> >> > To: Scott
> Vermillion; 'Joseph
> Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy> >> tanner'> >> >
> Cc:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> >> > Subject: OT: RE: magic
> numbers> >> >> >> >
> Actually, the CCIE with number 30,000 will likely
> occur at the> >> > current
> rate by the end of 2008.> >> >> >> > The number
> 20,000 will happen pretty
> close to the end of 2007 at the> >> > current rate,
> unless we just got a big
> fluke.> >> >> >> >> >> > Now the number of active
> CCIE's will dwindle as
> well.> >> >> >> > As Narbik pointed only about
> 16,000 or so active at the
> moment.> >> >> >> > Many get into other lucrative
> careers, advance in
> management or other> >> > aspects of I.T.> >> >> >>
> > And then there are those
> who reap what they sow and find out that a> >> >
> piece of paper truly holds
> anything.> >> > I suspect these folks may maintain
> their certs but some will
> just let> >> > go - it is a value proposition.> >>
> >> >> > Overall the outlook
> is favorable. However, the golden halo days are> >>
> > numbered.> >> >> >> > Of
> course being a CCIE versus not being a CCIE....> >>
> > Still is a worth its
> while.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- Scott
> Vermillion > >> > wrote:> >> >>
> >> > > Yeah, but it's kinda like guessing the number
> of jellybeans in a> >> >
> > really, really large jar. I'm drawn to such
> nonsense (and rarely> >> > >
> guess anywhere near correctly)...> >> > >> >> > >
> -----Original Message----->
> >> > > From: Joseph Brunner> >> > >
> [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]> >> > >
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:57 PM> >> > >
> To: 'Scott Vermillion';
> 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'> >> > > Cc:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> >> > >
> Subject: RE: magic numbers> >> > >> >> > > Any
> takers on when 30k comes to
> pass??> >> > >> >> > > October 2010> >> > >> >> > >
> Guess what?> >> > >> >> >
> > By then the number certified *might* be 20,000.
> Many who have it now> >>> >>
> > > will lapse, pass away, retire from the business,
> etc.> >> > >> >> > >
> Which in a world of million networks means it's
> still going to be> >> > >
> quite a good living.> >> > >> >> > > Imagine in the
> WHOLE WORLD there were
> *only* 20,000 doctors...> >> > > Imagine how much
> each one would make...> >> >
> >> >> > > ;)> >> > >> >> > > -----Original
> Message-----> >> > > From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com> >> > >
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Vermillion> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December
> 05, 2007 2:44 PM> >> > >
> To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'> >> > > Cc:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> >> >
> > Subject: RE: magic numbers> >> > >> >> > > I can
> only hope it takes that
> long Gary! (and that I somehow> >> > > miraculously
> pass on my first attempt
> in early Feb). Any takers on> >> > > when 30k comes
> to pass??> >> > >> >> > >
> -----Original Message-----> >> > > From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com> >> > >
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Duncanson> >> > > Sent:
> Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:27 PM> >> > > To:
> cindy tanner> >> > > Cc:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> >> > > Subject: Re: magic
> numbers> >> > >> >> > >
> Cindy,> >> > >> >> > > It's a mystery to me. I
> reckon we will be 20000 come
> end of> >> > > February.> >> > >> >> > > Regards> >>
> > > Gary> >> > > -----
> Original Message -----> >> > > From: "cindy tanner"
> > >> > > To: > >> > >
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:10 PM> >> > >
> Subject: OT: magic numbers>
> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > > Experts,> >> > > > As I
> study and watch the messages
> go by, I have> >> > > noticed that numbers> >> > > >
> 19499> >> > > > and 19519
> seem to have occurred on the same day.> >> > > Is
> Cisco turning out 20> >> > >
> > CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers>
> >> > > sequentially -
> maybe> >> > > > this> >> > > > is not the case?
> Anybody know?> >> > > >> >> >
> > > Cindy> >> > > > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> >> > >
> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >
>
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