From: Colin McNamara (colin@2cups.com)
Date: Sat Dec 08 2007 - 02:49:35 ART
Honestly, the best managers I have ever had were horrible technically,
but loyal and supportive organizationally. The worst manager I ever had
came from IBM and was to smart for his own good. I'll take a boss with
people skills over a boss with router skills any day.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH http://www.2cups.com"The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer" On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 17:22 +0000, Gary Duncanson wrote: > Hi Colin, > > What do you mean by managers knowing too much? Wouldn't that make a change? > > Regards > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin McNamara" <colin@2cups.com> > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:11 PM > Subject: RE: RE: magic numbers > > > > One interesting statistic I would like to see is the distribution of > > ages across tracks. My guess is that will just over 10 years in the > > program, the first CCIE's have migrated into the management / principle > > consultant ranks. Once 2010-2011 rolls around the "CCIE baby boom" of > > 2000-2001 should be working their way into management. > > > > Everybody sounds very afraid of a large number of new CCIE's competing > > with them for engineering jobs in the market place, while what I think > > we should really be worried about is having managers that know just a > > little to much. > > > > -- > > Colin McNamara > > (858)208-8105 > > CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH > > http://www.2cups.com > > > > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little > > longer" > > > > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 20:20 -0500, Paul Dardinski wrote: > >> Darby, > >> > >> Please note that I am absolutely certain that Cisco will not allow the > >> cert to be devalued. Whenever the magic number hits 30k or whatever is > >> really irrelevant. It's a very difficult test and quite highly valued in > >> the industry and this has basically caused a larger number to pursue it. > >> > >> > >> As has been said before here, it's not so much what the number is vs. > >> what it means. Honestly I haven't met too many CCIE's who didn't know > >> what they were talking about. Yes, there will always be a few bad > >> apples, but in the end it's only a milestone, not an > >> ending.....besides...there will always be room for differentiation by > >> dual-cert, etc. > >> > >> PD (#16842) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > >> Darby Weaver > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:13 PM > >> To: Scott Vermillion; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner' > >> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com > >> Subject: OT: RE: magic numbers > >> > >> Actually, the CCIE with number 30,000 will likely > >> occur at the current rate by the end of 2008. > >> > >> The number 20,000 will happen pretty close to the end > >> of 2007 at the current rate, unless we just got a big > >> fluke. > >> > >> > >> Now the number of active CCIE's will dwindle as well. > >> > >> As Narbik pointed only about 16,000 or so active at > >> the moment. > >> > >> Many get into other lucrative careers, advance in > >> management or other aspects of I.T. > >> > >> And then there are those who reap what they sow and > >> find out that a piece of paper truly holds anything. > >> I suspect these folks may maintain their certs but > >> some will just let go - it is a value proposition. > >> > >> Overall the outlook is favorable. However, the golden > >> halo days are numbered. > >> > >> Of course being a CCIE versus not being a CCIE.... > >> Still is a worth its while. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Yeah, but it's kinda like guessing the number of > >> > jellybeans in a really, > >> > really large jar. I'm drawn to such nonsense (and > >> > rarely guess anywhere > >> > near correctly)... > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Joseph Brunner > >> > [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:57 PM > >> > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy > >> > tanner' > >> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com > >> > Subject: RE: magic numbers > >> > > >> > Any takers on when 30k comes to pass?? > >> > > >> > October 2010 > >> > > >> > Guess what? > >> > > >> > By then the number certified *might* be 20,000. Many > >> > who have it now will > >> > lapse, pass away, retire from the business, etc. > >> > > >> > Which in a world of million networks means it's > >> > still going to be quite a > >> > good living. > >> > > >> > Imagine in the WHOLE WORLD there were *only* 20,000 > >> > doctors... Imagine how > >> > much each one would make... > >> > > >> > ;) > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com > >> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > >> > Scott Vermillion > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:44 PM > >> > To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner' > >> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com > >> > Subject: RE: magic numbers > >> > > >> > I can only hope it takes that long Gary! (and that > >> > I somehow miraculously > >> > pass on my first attempt in early Feb). Any takers > >> > on when 30k comes to > >> > pass?? > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com > >> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary > >> > Duncanson > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:27 PM > >> > To: cindy tanner > >> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com > >> > Subject: Re: magic numbers > >> > > >> > Cindy, > >> > > >> > It's a mystery to me. I reckon we will be 20000 come > >> > end of February. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Gary > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "cindy tanner" <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> > >> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:10 PM > >> > Subject: OT: magic numbers > >> > > >> > > >> > > Experts, > >> > > As I study and watch the messages go by, I have > >> > noticed that numbers > >> > > 19499 > >> > > and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. > >> > Is Cisco turning out 20 > >> > > CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers > >> > sequentially - maybe > >> > > this > >> > > is not the case? Anybody know? > >> > > > >> > > Cindy > >> > > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> > > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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