From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Dec 07 2007 - 14:22:42 ART
Hi Colin,
What do you mean by managers knowing too much? Wouldn't that make a change?
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin McNamara" <colin@2cups.com>
To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: RE: magic numbers
> One interesting statistic I would like to see is the distribution of
> ages across tracks. My guess is that will just over 10 years in the
> program, the first CCIE's have migrated into the management / principle
> consultant ranks. Once 2010-2011 rolls around the "CCIE baby boom" of
> 2000-2001 should be working their way into management.
>
> Everybody sounds very afraid of a large number of new CCIE's competing
> with them for engineering jobs in the market place, while what I think
> we should really be worried about is having managers that know just a
> little to much.
>
> --
> Colin McNamara
> (858)208-8105
> CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH
> http://www.2cups.com
>
> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
> longer"
>
> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 20:20 -0500, Paul Dardinski wrote:
>> Darby,
>>
>> Please note that I am absolutely certain that Cisco will not allow the
>> cert to be devalued. Whenever the magic number hits 30k or whatever is
>> really irrelevant. It's a very difficult test and quite highly valued in
>> the industry and this has basically caused a larger number to pursue it.
>>
>>
>> As has been said before here, it's not so much what the number is vs.
>> what it means. Honestly I haven't met too many CCIE's who didn't know
>> what they were talking about. Yes, there will always be a few bad
>> apples, but in the end it's only a milestone, not an
>> ending.....besides...there will always be room for differentiation by
>> dual-cert, etc.
>>
>> PD (#16842)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Darby Weaver
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:13 PM
>> To: Scott Vermillion; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: OT: RE: magic numbers
>>
>> Actually, the CCIE with number 30,000 will likely
>> occur at the current rate by the end of 2008.
>>
>> The number 20,000 will happen pretty close to the end
>> of 2007 at the current rate, unless we just got a big
>> fluke.
>>
>>
>> Now the number of active CCIE's will dwindle as well.
>>
>> As Narbik pointed only about 16,000 or so active at
>> the moment.
>>
>> Many get into other lucrative careers, advance in
>> management or other aspects of I.T.
>>
>> And then there are those who reap what they sow and
>> find out that a piece of paper truly holds anything.
>> I suspect these folks may maintain their certs but
>> some will just let go - it is a value proposition.
>>
>> Overall the outlook is favorable. However, the golden
>> halo days are numbered.
>>
>> Of course being a CCIE versus not being a CCIE....
>> Still is a worth its while.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah, but it's kinda like guessing the number of
>> > jellybeans in a really,
>> > really large jar. I'm drawn to such nonsense (and
>> > rarely guess anywhere
>> > near correctly)...
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joseph Brunner
>> > [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:57 PM
>> > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy
>> > tanner'
>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: RE: magic numbers
>> >
>> > Any takers on when 30k comes to pass??
>> >
>> > October 2010
>> >
>> > Guess what?
>> >
>> > By then the number certified *might* be 20,000. Many
>> > who have it now will
>> > lapse, pass away, retire from the business, etc.
>> >
>> > Which in a world of million networks means it's
>> > still going to be quite a
>> > good living.
>> >
>> > Imagine in the WHOLE WORLD there were *only* 20,000
>> > doctors... Imagine how
>> > much each one would make...
>> >
>> > ;)
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Scott Vermillion
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:44 PM
>> > To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'
>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: RE: magic numbers
>> >
>> > I can only hope it takes that long Gary! (and that
>> > I somehow miraculously
>> > pass on my first attempt in early Feb). Any takers
>> > on when 30k comes to
>> > pass??
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>> > Duncanson
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:27 PM
>> > To: cindy tanner
>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: magic numbers
>> >
>> > Cindy,
>> >
>> > It's a mystery to me. I reckon we will be 20000 come
>> > end of February.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Gary
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "cindy tanner" <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com>
>> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:10 PM
>> > Subject: OT: magic numbers
>> >
>> >
>> > > Experts,
>> > > As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
>> > noticed that numbers
>> > > 19499
>> > > and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day.
>> > Is Cisco turning out 20
>> > > CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
>> > sequentially - maybe
>> > > this
>> > > is not the case? Anybody know?
>> > >
>> > > Cindy
>> > > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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