From: dara tomar (wish2ie@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Dec 07 2007 - 14:19:37 ART
*hehehehehe............ :) :) :)
Yeh Michael, that's true...................... :) :) :)
Regards,
Dara
*
On Dec 7, 2007 9:49 PM, <M_A_Jones@dell.com> wrote:
> Excellent point my friend, the days of telling your manager that it will
> take a couple of days to add some routes are coming to an end.
>
> :)
>
>
> Michael Jones
> Network Engineer
> Global Network Operations
> Dell Inc. | Information Technology
> W. 512.723.3268 | C. 512.966.6908
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Colin McNamara
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:12 AM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: RE: magic numbers
>
> One interesting statistic I would like to see is the
> distribution of ages across tracks. My guess is that will just over 10
> years in the program, the first CCIE's have migrated into the management
> / principle consultant ranks. Once 2010-2011 rolls around the "CCIE baby
> boom" of
> 2000-2001 should be working their way into management.
>
> Everybody sounds very afraid of a large number of new CCIE's
> competing with them for engineering jobs in the market place, while what
> I think we should really be worried about is having managers that know
> just a little to much.
>
> --
> Colin McNamara
> (858)208-8105
> CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH
> http://www.2cups.com
>
> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
> longer"
>
> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 20:20 -0500, Paul Dardinski wrote:
> > Darby,
> >
> > Please note that I am absolutely certain that Cisco will not allow the
>
> > cert to be devalued. Whenever the magic number hits 30k or whatever is
>
> > really irrelevant. It's a very difficult test and quite highly valued
> > in the industry and this has basically caused a larger number to
> pursue it.
> >
> >
> > As has been said before here, it's not so much what the number is vs.
> > what it means. Honestly I haven't met too many CCIE's who didn't know
> > what they were talking about. Yes, there will always be a few bad
> > apples, but in the end it's only a milestone, not an
> > ending.....besides...there will always be room for differentiation by
> > dual-cert, etc.
> >
> > PD (#16842)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:13 PM
> > To: Scott Vermillion; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy
> tanner'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: OT: RE: magic numbers
> >
> > Actually, the CCIE with number 30,000 will likely occur at the
> > current rate by the end of 2008.
> >
> > The number 20,000 will happen pretty close to the end of 2007 at the
> > current rate, unless we just got a big fluke.
> >
> >
> > Now the number of active CCIE's will dwindle as well.
> >
> > As Narbik pointed only about 16,000 or so active at the moment.
> >
> > Many get into other lucrative careers, advance in management or other
> > aspects of I.T.
> >
> > And then there are those who reap what they sow and find out that a
> > piece of paper truly holds anything.
> > I suspect these folks may maintain their certs but some will just let
> > go - it is a value proposition.
> >
> > Overall the outlook is favorable. However, the golden halo days are
> > numbered.
> >
> > Of course being a CCIE versus not being a CCIE....
> > Still is a worth its while.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, but it's kinda like guessing the number of jellybeans in a
> > > really, really large jar. I'm drawn to such nonsense (and rarely
> > > guess anywhere near correctly)...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joseph Brunner
> > > [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:57 PM
> > > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: magic numbers
> > >
> > > Any takers on when 30k comes to pass??
> > >
> > > October 2010
> > >
> > > Guess what?
> > >
> > > By then the number certified *might* be 20,000. Many who have it now
>
> > > will lapse, pass away, retire from the business, etc.
> > >
> > > Which in a world of million networks means it's still going to be
> > > quite a good living.
> > >
> > > Imagine in the WHOLE WORLD there were *only* 20,000 doctors...
> > > Imagine how much each one would make...
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vermillion
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:44 PM
> > > To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: magic numbers
> > >
> > > I can only hope it takes that long Gary! (and that I somehow
> > > miraculously pass on my first attempt in early Feb). Any takers on
> > > when 30k comes to pass??
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary Duncanson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:27 PM
> > > To: cindy tanner
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: magic numbers
> > >
> > > Cindy,
> > >
> > > It's a mystery to me. I reckon we will be 20000 come end of
> > > February.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Gary
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cindy tanner" <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:10 PM
> > > Subject: OT: magic numbers
> > >
> > >
> > > > Experts,
> > > > As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
> > > noticed that numbers
> > > > 19499
> > > > and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day.
> > > Is Cisco turning out 20
> > > > CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
> > > sequentially - maybe
> > > > this
> > > > is not the case? Anybody know?
> > > >
> > > > Cindy
> > > > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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