From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Dec 07 2007 - 14:52:28 ART
Can I have one of these dumb managers please who are about to get laid off?
Everyone I ever worked for knew their stuff :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "dara tomar" <wish2ie@gmail.com>
To: <M_A_Jones@dell.com>
Cc: <colin@2cups.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: RE: magic numbers
> *hehehehehe............ :) :) :)
>
> Yeh Michael, that's true...................... :) :) :)
>
> Regards,
> Dara
> *
> On Dec 7, 2007 9:49 PM, <M_A_Jones@dell.com> wrote:
>
>> Excellent point my friend, the days of telling your manager that it will
>> take a couple of days to add some routes are coming to an end.
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Michael Jones
>> Network Engineer
>> Global Network Operations
>> Dell Inc. | Information Technology
>> W. 512.723.3268 | C. 512.966.6908
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Colin McNamara
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:12 AM
>> To: Cisco certification
>> Subject: RE: RE: magic numbers
>>
>> One interesting statistic I would like to see is the
>> distribution of ages across tracks. My guess is that will just over 10
>> years in the program, the first CCIE's have migrated into the management
>> / principle consultant ranks. Once 2010-2011 rolls around the "CCIE baby
>> boom" of
>> 2000-2001 should be working their way into management.
>>
>> Everybody sounds very afraid of a large number of new CCIE's
>> competing with them for engineering jobs in the market place, while what
>> I think we should really be worried about is having managers that know
>> just a little to much.
>>
>> --
>> Colin McNamara
>> (858)208-8105
>> CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH
>> http://www.2cups.com
>>
>> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
>> longer"
>>
>> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 20:20 -0500, Paul Dardinski wrote:
>> > Darby,
>> >
>> > Please note that I am absolutely certain that Cisco will not allow the
>>
>> > cert to be devalued. Whenever the magic number hits 30k or whatever is
>>
>> > really irrelevant. It's a very difficult test and quite highly valued
>> > in the industry and this has basically caused a larger number to
>> pursue it.
>> >
>> >
>> > As has been said before here, it's not so much what the number is vs.
>> > what it means. Honestly I haven't met too many CCIE's who didn't know
>> > what they were talking about. Yes, there will always be a few bad
>> > apples, but in the end it's only a milestone, not an
>> > ending.....besides...there will always be room for differentiation by
>> > dual-cert, etc.
>> >
>> > PD (#16842)
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> > Of Darby Weaver
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:13 PM
>> > To: Scott Vermillion; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy
>> tanner'
>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: OT: RE: magic numbers
>> >
>> > Actually, the CCIE with number 30,000 will likely occur at the
>> > current rate by the end of 2008.
>> >
>> > The number 20,000 will happen pretty close to the end of 2007 at the
>> > current rate, unless we just got a big fluke.
>> >
>> >
>> > Now the number of active CCIE's will dwindle as well.
>> >
>> > As Narbik pointed only about 16,000 or so active at the moment.
>> >
>> > Many get into other lucrative careers, advance in management or other
>> > aspects of I.T.
>> >
>> > And then there are those who reap what they sow and find out that a
>> > piece of paper truly holds anything.
>> > I suspect these folks may maintain their certs but some will just let
>> > go - it is a value proposition.
>> >
>> > Overall the outlook is favorable. However, the golden halo days are
>> > numbered.
>> >
>> > Of course being a CCIE versus not being a CCIE....
>> > Still is a worth its while.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yeah, but it's kinda like guessing the number of jellybeans in a
>> > > really, really large jar. I'm drawn to such nonsense (and rarely
>> > > guess anywhere near correctly)...
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Joseph Brunner
>> > > [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:57 PM
>> > > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'
>> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: RE: magic numbers
>> > >
>> > > Any takers on when 30k comes to pass??
>> > >
>> > > October 2010
>> > >
>> > > Guess what?
>> > >
>> > > By then the number certified *might* be 20,000. Many who have it now
>>
>> > > will lapse, pass away, retire from the business, etc.
>> > >
>> > > Which in a world of million networks means it's still going to be
>> > > quite a good living.
>> > >
>> > > Imagine in the WHOLE WORLD there were *only* 20,000 doctors...
>> > > Imagine how much each one would make...
>> > >
>> > > ;)
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vermillion
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:44 PM
>> > > To: 'Gary Duncanson'; 'cindy tanner'
>> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: RE: magic numbers
>> > >
>> > > I can only hope it takes that long Gary! (and that I somehow
>> > > miraculously pass on my first attempt in early Feb). Any takers on
>> > > when 30k comes to pass??
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary Duncanson
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:27 PM
>> > > To: cindy tanner
>> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: magic numbers
>> > >
>> > > Cindy,
>> > >
>> > > It's a mystery to me. I reckon we will be 20000 come end of
>> > > February.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > Gary
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "cindy tanner" <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com>
>> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:10 PM
>> > > Subject: OT: magic numbers
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Experts,
>> > > > As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
>> > > noticed that numbers
>> > > > 19499
>> > > > and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day.
>> > > Is Cisco turning out 20
>> > > > CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
>> > > sequentially - maybe
>> > > > this
>> > > > is not the case? Anybody know?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cindy
>> > > > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
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