From: Joshua (jnccia@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Apr 13 2008 - 17:14:21 ART
Searching for a good CCIE boot camp is no different
than searching for a good university or advanced degree
program to which to attend. Many schools just simply
have stronger programs and have a much better
reputation than most others. Bottom line is that the
student is just going to have to do their homework to
figure out which to attend. Depending on the school of
choice, the student may have to do more work at one
school versus another. And like most schools, there
are professors that very highly respected and maybe
even become a trusted mentor for many students. Then,
there are the "other" professors who just plain suck
and you are left with questioning just how in the hell
that person made it through the vetting process.
Chances are, it is because of that one professor that
will slow your progress. CCIE boot camp/schools and
instructors are no different. Some are just damn
awesome, while others will essentially drive a stake
into the ground through your foot.
$Nar--bik" was banned because former students were
commenting about the high quality of his classes.
But, from what I have seen on GS, certainly not any
more than formers students who have attended competing
boot camps. What made $Dar**by's situation different
was that he posted daily reports while attending
*Nar-B-iks class. He was giving a daily account of
**Narb-ik's professionalism, abilities as an
instructor, the quality of his classroom instruction,
curriculum and what topics we covered. This was from a
student's point of view. Grant it, *Darby probably
over did it. *Dar*by knew that he was probably
stepping over the line. But, why ban *&Narb-ik?
I was in *Narb--iks class, alongside *Da---rby, when
*Dar*by was banned by P*aul B@orghese. There is one
thing *Dar*by was right about. When it comes to high
quality hardcore boot camps, *^Nar--bik's class is a
real threat to &^Cert-Scie_nce and several other
companies. I know. I attended the Cer-t-sci-ence boot
camp. Unless you want to be ripped off $8K+, I
wouldn't recommend the program, period. I have also
attended INX and Netmasterclass. *Nar*bi-k, INX and
NetMasterClass are worth every penny. I have never
attended Scott Morris' class, but I have met the man
and he is clearly a hardcore CCIE much like N*ar*bik,
INX, and Netmasterclass. You cannot go wrong with any
of these guys, for the exception of one.
Nonetheless, I have not seen *Nar--bik push his class,
like some others have. I have never seen him attach
huge or sometimes obnoxious signature blocks like some
others. I have not seen *Narbi--k advertise his class
in any way, other than to inform someone to email him
directly, if they had questions about his class. So,
why ban *Narb--ik??? He has contributed to so many
passing their labs by answering so many questions that
others could not do on their own. Just as Scott, Brian
Dennis, Brian McGahan, Bruce Caslow, Bob Sinclair and
several others have done.
*Narb-ik$ had nothing but good things to say about
Scott Morris, Internetwork-experts, and Netmaster's.
He just never had anything to say about C*ert-Sc*ience.
You know; if you don't have anything good to
say..........??? Hmmmmm.... CertScience...... Paul
Borghese...... Ban &Narb**ik....... Has the the
Patriot Act has come to GS....??? I know, I know. That
was a bit much. But still, it does beg for questions
when looking at the motivation for banning *Narb*ik.
Why not ban all instructors from training companies, if
there are so many complaints about this stuff?
Complaints?? The IPExpert, Netmasterclass and
Internetwork Experts have nothing to worry about.
Their reputation precedes them. If others are
threatened by it, then they need to step up the quality
of their CCIE boot camp learning experience, as well as
their level of professionalism. Or better yet, go
beyond the norm. The point of competition is to push
the limits, find better ways and hopefully, increase
the quality of just about anything, including the
learning experience. If a CCIE hopeful asks for
feedback about any persons experience in reference to
any one of the CCIE boot camps, the GS door is going to
open. And it will swing both ways. Former students
are going to chime in. It is the nature of the beast
on this forum.
It seems to me that if you want to create a forum for
pure CCIE studies, without this adolescent bickering
crap, then simply dis-allow any form of advertisement
or promotion altogether. Including the *CertScience
signature automatically attached to the bottom of the
GS emails. If it cannot be stopped, then try to
control it via a solution. GS is and has been the
largest CCIE forum in the world. So, why not let it
pay for itself. Paid advertisements??? Maybe a banner
or set of links at the bottom of all GS emails. Anyone
caught advertising or promoting anything beyond the
banner/links, will be kicked off. Simple as that. If
it is too difficult to "police" the forum on this
level, oh well. It is, unfortunately, one of those
problems to which a solution will need to be found.
Or..... just deal with the problem. Hey, just shutdown
GS? Problem solved.
My $.02 worth Wait, now its $.0125.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of CCIE
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 10:15 AM
To: 'Ramy Sisy'; 'ccie girl'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: OT Darby
What do you mean "Nar---bik is not showing since 18
JAN???
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Sisy
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:59 PM
To: 'ccie girl'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: OT Darby
Probably he was filtered after his last post "Nar
bik's Bootcamp Chronicles - Day 1".
Also Nar
bik, he is not showing since 18 Jan?!
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Thanks,
Ramy Sisy
CCIE#17321 (Security), CCSI#30417
http://www.linkedin.com/in/RAMYSISY
CCIE Security Content Manager/ Technical Instructor
http://www.CCBOOTCAMP.com
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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more
complex, and more
violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of
courage - to move in the
opposite direction" Albert Einstein
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of ccie
girl
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:53 PM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: OT Darby
..is it just me or does anyone else miss Mr Weaver's
input?
I hope he is OK.
Pass the CCIE in six weeks, Guaranteed!
http://www.certscience.com/CCIE
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