From: dillon yang (gzdillon@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Feb 18 2005 - 06:58:55 GMT-3
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Greed is one of the deadly sins.
TestKing may be the 100% greed.
NLI, NMC and so on may be the 50% greed.
Cisco itself may be the 20% greed.
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Why?
Cisco generated a certification like CCIE just for itself's products, not for BAY that made the first switch, not for 3com, and so on. A CCIE is just like a watcher for Cisco products. Since, Cisco should train the candidates on the cuff for its partners and clients! Now Cisco requires the candidates spend a lots of dollars and valuable leisures on acquiring it that is not equitable like GRE for some REREAD reason. So, Cisco has taken valuable societal resources(including the failed candidates) for its private purpose. The man that got CCIE must be very smart, but is still not eligible to take part in the process of making routers and switches, and is not eligible to share the free drinks in Cisco's office.
Cisco displaced its responsibility with the society, that should be fulfilled by a vendor, then it is something about greed. So is 3com, and so on.
Since Cisco declare that "CCIE is not a training based certification", then NLI, NMC and so on are somethings about greed, too.
TestKing is JUST exceed what is proper.
IMHO, I think the original intention of CCIE is for rewarding the extra experienced engineers, without courses, without guessing lab contents.
dillon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <rick@iptool.net>
To: "Etchings, Jay" <EtchingsJ@ally.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Testkink and such
> I am curious to what you mean by the "cert game". Every thing I have read
> about in the past says Vendors actually lose money directly on the cert
> programs. Now, I will be the first to agree that they more than make up
> for it in reduced support cost and name recognition as a result of
> offering the certs. For example as a CCIE, I am more likely to purchase or
> recommend Cisco and I "should" be able to better troubleshoot Cisco
> products, reducing the amount of times I have to call support.
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> > There may come a day when any respected certification will require a
> > "hands on lab" Microsoft has already pondered this scenario. The vendors
> > make so much in the cert game; even if you cheat they still get their
> > money.
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> > I think hands on exams would end all these sort of debates.
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> > Just my 2 cents,
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> > Regards,
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> > Jay Etchings
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> > Regards,
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> > Jay Etchings
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