From: cclab (cclab@optonline.net)
Date: Fri Feb 18 2005 - 13:08:23 GMT-3
I never chime in on this type of stuff but ...
Scott is correct on this one.
This is no place to debate the ethical / social implications of
certifications.
As I type this, I have to laugh.
Who spends there time thinking about this kind of garbage.
Join the peace core if you want a sense of justice in the world.
Otherwise, go get the cert if you want it and stop the nonsense.
Scott O'Donnell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Greed is one of the deadly sins__Re: Testkink and such
> And now we have taken a large step towards the absurd.
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> dillon yang
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:59 AM
> To: Rick
> Cc: Group Study
> Subject: Greed is one of the deadly sins__Re: Testkink and such
>
> =======================================
>
> Greed is one of the deadly sins.
> TestKing may be the 100% greed.
> NLI, NMC and so on may be the 50% greed.
> Cisco itself may be the 20% greed.
>
> =======================================
>
> Why?
> Cisco generated a certification like CCIE just for itself's products,
not
> for BAY that made the first switch, not for 3com, and so on. A CCIE is
just
> like a watcher for Cisco products. Since, Cisco should train the
candidates
> on the cuff for its partners and clients! Now Cisco requires the
candidates
> spend a lots of dollars and valuable leisures on acquiring it that is not
> equitable like GRE for some REREAD reason. So, Cisco has taken valuable
> societal resources(including the failed candidates) for its private
> purpose. The man that got CCIE must be very smart, but is still not
eligible
> to take part in the process of making routers and switches, and is not
> eligible to share the free drinks in Cisco's office.
> Cisco displaced its responsibility with the society, that should be
> fulfilled by a vendor, then it is something about greed. So is 3com, and
so
> on.
> Since Cisco declare that "CCIE is not a training based certification",
> then NLI, NMC and so on are somethings about greed, too.
> TestKing is JUST exceed what is proper.
> IMHO, I think the original intention of CCIE is for rewarding the extra
> experienced engineers, without courses, without guessing lab contents.
> dillon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick" <rick@iptool.net>
> To: "Etchings, Jay" <EtchingsJ@ally.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Testkink and such
>
>
> > I am curious to what you mean by the "cert game". Every thing I have
read
> > about in the past says Vendors actually lose money directly on the cert
> > programs. Now, I will be the first to agree that they more than make up
> > for it in reduced support cost and name recognition as a result of
> > offering the certs. For example as a CCIE, I am more likely to purchase
or
> > recommend Cisco and I "should" be able to better troubleshoot Cisco
> > products, reducing the amount of times I have to call support.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > There may come a day when any respected certification will require a
> > > "hands on lab" Microsoft has already pondered this scenario. The
vendors
> > > make so much in the cert game; even if you cheat they still get their
> > > money.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think hands on exams would end all these sort of debates.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jay Etchings
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jay Etchings
> > >
> > >
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