From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Fri Feb 18 2005 - 12:47:01 GMT-3
And now we have taken a large step towards the absurd.
Scott
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
dillon yang
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:59 AM
To: Rick
Cc: Group Study
Subject: Greed is one of the deadly sins__Re: Testkink and such
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Greed is one of the deadly sins.
TestKing may be the 100% greed.
NLI, NMC and so on may be the 50% greed.
Cisco itself may be the 20% greed.
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Why?
Cisco generated a certification like CCIE just for itself's products, not
for BAY that made the first switch, not for 3com, and so on. A CCIE is just
like a watcher for Cisco products. Since, Cisco should train the candidates
on the cuff for its partners and clients! Now Cisco requires the candidates
spend a lots of dollars and valuable leisures on acquiring it that is not
equitable like GRE for some REREAD reason. So, Cisco has taken valuable
societal resources(including the failed candidates) for its private
purpose. The man that got CCIE must be very smart, but is still not eligible
to take part in the process of making routers and switches, and is not
eligible to share the free drinks in Cisco's office.
Cisco displaced its responsibility with the society, that should be
fulfilled by a vendor, then it is something about greed. So is 3com, and so
on.
Since Cisco declare that "CCIE is not a training based certification",
then NLI, NMC and so on are somethings about greed, too.
TestKing is JUST exceed what is proper.
IMHO, I think the original intention of CCIE is for rewarding the extra
experienced engineers, without courses, without guessing lab contents.
dillon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <rick@iptool.net>
To: "Etchings, Jay" <EtchingsJ@ally.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Testkink and such
> I am curious to what you mean by the "cert game". Every thing I have read
> about in the past says Vendors actually lose money directly on the cert
> programs. Now, I will be the first to agree that they more than make up
> for it in reduced support cost and name recognition as a result of
> offering the certs. For example as a CCIE, I am more likely to purchase or
> recommend Cisco and I "should" be able to better troubleshoot Cisco
> products, reducing the amount of times I have to call support.
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> > There may come a day when any respected certification will require a
> > "hands on lab" Microsoft has already pondered this scenario. The vendors
> > make so much in the cert game; even if you cheat they still get their
> > money.
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> > I think hands on exams would end all these sort of debates.
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> > Just my 2 cents,
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> > Regards,
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> > Jay Etchings
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> > Regards,
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> > Jay Etchings
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