Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)

We are not narbik groupies. I am sure he is great but no need to pollute
this list with your admiration for him. I will pass with never attending his
class or reviewing his material.

Cisco is much larger than your tunneled prospective

Marc
On Apr 30, 2011 6:00 PM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Dark Fiber,
>
> 1. An advertisement would imply I am selling something and I assure you I
> have no skin in the game. Not yet anyway.
>
> 2. I was invited to Narbik's class back in 2008 as some may recall - so I
> attended the class free of charge and I simply posted me thoughts on the
> class - for those who don't know I get asked regularly about these classes
> and which I prefer. If anyone here has asked I give my opinion unicast as
> well as multicast/broadcast.
>
> 3. There are things I'd like to see in every class and maybe not see as
much
> of and I actually mentioned these things to Narbik, one-on-on - I've done
> something similar for Wayne - who took everything I said quite negatively
> and so I'm not sure if things improved after the fact, since I have
nothing
> to say or do about their products after that last e-mail encounter we had.
> His team was copied on the e-mail so they know at least a part of the
> conversation.
>
> 4. There are lots of great instructors and each has many positives and
> "maybe negatives" - I always try to focus on the positives.
>
> 5. I have a chance to watch Paul Borghese in action this past week, and
when
> he asked me for my opinion, I offered it as well along with suggestions to
> help illustrate my points and be helpful to such a generous soul who has
> brough the world groupstudy.com for example.
>
> Now - I do like some others - Jeremy Ciora - FABULOUS INSTRUCTOR - this
guy
> never has a video that I've ever seen that is unprepared for. He brings
> humor, interest, delight, an incredible attitude to the industry and it
> shows. Love his stuff and yep I bought the CBT Nuggets CCIE Videos some
> years ago.
>
> Every CCIE Instructor on this forum probably has nightmares about
competing
> with the guy most of the world owes their CCNA/CCNP or CC-Whatever to...
> and for good reason.
>
> Everyone loves Jeremy.
>
> Now take Chris Bryant - This guy is calm, cool, and collected. Very matter
> of fact. He has his materials together and he is awesomely well prepared.
> He does not "physically" demonstrate the same enthusiasm as Jeremy - but
he
> does cut to the chase and covers the material succintly, matter-of-factly,
> and quite expertly.
>
> Both of these guys have their respective market cornered and with good
> reason - They R-O-C-K and CCIE Candidates can learn a lot from both of
them
> for a fraction of the price of any of the CCIE offerings to cover some of
> the same materials.
>
> The cat is out of the bag.
>
> Now Dave Huccaby - the man does not waste a syllable - no jokes, no
fanfare,
> no foreplay... he gets right down to business and delivers the goods -
> non-stop.
>
> If he were teaching the CCIE Candidates in such a fashion - he'd be the
dog
> to beat. Either of the CCIE's mentioned - Jeremy or Chris each would
> capture a prominent share of the CCIE market and with solid reasoning if
> they ever decide to move in that specific direction.
>
> Sure there are others.
>
> I've yet to see everything I see at Cisco Live show up at the CCIE level -
> wonder why sometimes - or perhaps some of it does show up eventually.
>
> Ever hear of a guy named Faziz? A Cisco employee - this guy delivers
> awesome materials - he wrote the Cisco Press - Troubleshooting Routing
> Protocols for the CCIE - and he is totally awesome in a bubbly good
humored
> kind of way - I could sit in a class non-stop with the guy on some of the
> deepest topics - you can "feel" that he loves the subject.
>
> If anyone gets a chance at Cisco Live to attend Troubleshooting OSPF -
he's
> the guy - I'd highly recommend the class.
>
>
> I enjoy classes with Narbik no doubt. His lectures are well rehearsed and
> validated prior to class.
>
> Umm... if anyone things I don't question the hell out of the guy - in
class,
> out of class, and even at 4am in the morning... ask the other guys in
> attendance... if I think he is wrong - I challenge. If I think he did not
> clarify enough - I ask for more... etc.
>
> I probably ask more questions by myself than the entire rest of the ~20
> people in attendance and I don't stop. It's my nature.
>
> So... don't think I give the guy an easy time in class, at lunch, or
> dinner... or for those 5--6 hours Sunday evening....
>
> I worked him over and asked more things than mostly any other other
student
> might and some things that would perplex some of our favorite instructors
-
> all hours day or night... in class and out of class.
>
> He delivered the goods.
>
> Not saying other guys can't do as well...
>
> I get accused of "interviewing" co-workers, vendors, etc. all the time and
> maybe I am guilty of it... Perhaps.
>
> However, I tend to dig untill satisfied.
>
> Now some people take my queries quite wrongly and some may even see them
as
> attacks - can't help that... however, I ask stuff for my benefit or even
for
> the benefit of the assembled group...
>
> We paid a lot of money to attend the class, travel to class, stay in
hotels,
> and other misc. fees - I believe asking a little more from such a master
> instructor is par for the course.
>
> I have seen instructor avoid the students at lunch... and disappear
> immediately after a class as a consistent rule for whatever reasons...
>
> Judge that behavior as you will - some people have lives and need to get
> away from it all.
>
> Me - I live technology -24/7/365 in some shape, form, or fashion and I
> deploy nearly the entire gamut of products Cisco has for the
> Campus/Enterprise and so I have questions or concerns that not everyone is
> going to have...
>
> The service provider guys have a different set of concerns and questions -
> not usually mine.
>
> I think it helps us all when we know our instructors have a little more
> breadth and depth of knowlelge than the notes they have prepared or the
> slideshow they have delivered who knows how many times.
>
> Every thing Narbik dicussed on the board has been tested by the man and
some
> of the issues came directly from this forum. Directly. He tells of them as
> he goes and why he decided to make examples of each of them for his
classes.
>
> Hope that helps a little....
>
> I'm not exactly a billboard.
>
> FYI - I still love INE's contributions to the CCIE world, I just don't
know
> if the same level of prep is present in all of the materials I've seen
that
> the Brians themselves used to deliver - I know Brian M. has gotten a lot
> better and he delivers like he means it.
>
> Now... I've seen some private DVD collections on Ebay done by individuals
> and without mentioning names... I value them almost exclusively for the
> sheer number of errors that one person can make with a camera and a CLI...
> Not to be mean - I bought them and I find a certain a value from them...
> however 100% accuracy is not why. Nor is the value of explanations either
> per se.
>
> Darby Weaver
>
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