Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)

Girls, girls! Look, you're all pretty. Can we move on? Seriously. I take studying seriously and this isn't productive.

Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
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On May 1, 2011, at 11:14 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> We are not narbik groupies. I am sure he is great but no need to pollute
> this list with your admiration for him. I will pass with never attending his
> class or reviewing his material.
>
> Cisco is much larger than your tunneled prospective
>
> Marc
> On Apr 30, 2011 6:00 PM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dark Fiber,
>>
>> 1. An advertisement would imply I am selling something and I assure you I
>> have no skin in the game. Not yet anyway.
>>
>> 2. I was invited to Narbik's class back in 2008 as some may recall - so I
>> attended the class free of charge and I simply posted me thoughts on the
>> class - for those who don't know I get asked regularly about these classes
>> and which I prefer. If anyone here has asked I give my opinion unicast as
>> well as multicast/broadcast.
>>
>> 3. There are things I'd like to see in every class and maybe not see as
> much
>> of and I actually mentioned these things to Narbik, one-on-on - I've done
>> something similar for Wayne - who took everything I said quite negatively
>> and so I'm not sure if things improved after the fact, since I have
> nothing
>> to say or do about their products after that last e-mail encounter we had.
>> His team was copied on the e-mail so they know at least a part of the
>> conversation.
>>
>> 4. There are lots of great instructors and each has many positives and
>> "maybe negatives" - I always try to focus on the positives.
>>
>> 5. I have a chance to watch Paul Borghese in action this past week, and
> when
>> he asked me for my opinion, I offered it as well along with suggestions to
>> help illustrate my points and be helpful to such a generous soul who has
>> brough the world groupstudy.com for example.
>>
>> Now - I do like some others - Jeremy Ciora - FABULOUS INSTRUCTOR - this
> guy
>> never has a video that I've ever seen that is unprepared for. He brings
>> humor, interest, delight, an incredible attitude to the industry and it
>> shows. Love his stuff and yep I bought the CBT Nuggets CCIE Videos some
>> years ago.
>>
>> Every CCIE Instructor on this forum probably has nightmares about
> competing
>> with the guy most of the world owes their CCNA/CCNP or CC-Whatever to...
>> and for good reason.
>>
>> Everyone loves Jeremy.
>>
>> Now take Chris Bryant - This guy is calm, cool, and collected. Very matter
>> of fact. He has his materials together and he is awesomely well prepared.
>> He does not "physically" demonstrate the same enthusiasm as Jeremy - but
> he
>> does cut to the chase and covers the material succintly, matter-of-factly,
>> and quite expertly.
>>
>> Both of these guys have their respective market cornered and with good
>> reason - They R-O-C-K and CCIE Candidates can learn a lot from both of
> them
>> for a fraction of the price of any of the CCIE offerings to cover some of
>> the same materials.
>>
>> The cat is out of the bag.
>>
>> Now Dave Huccaby - the man does not waste a syllable - no jokes, no
> fanfare,
>> no foreplay... he gets right down to business and delivers the goods -
>> non-stop.
>>
>> If he were teaching the CCIE Candidates in such a fashion - he'd be the
> dog
>> to beat. Either of the CCIE's mentioned - Jeremy or Chris each would
>> capture a prominent share of the CCIE market and with solid reasoning if
>> they ever decide to move in that specific direction.
>>
>> Sure there are others.
>>
>> I've yet to see everything I see at Cisco Live show up at the CCIE level -
>> wonder why sometimes - or perhaps some of it does show up eventually.
>>
>> Ever hear of a guy named Faziz? A Cisco employee - this guy delivers
>> awesome materials - he wrote the Cisco Press - Troubleshooting Routing
>> Protocols for the CCIE - and he is totally awesome in a bubbly good
> humored
>> kind of way - I could sit in a class non-stop with the guy on some of the
>> deepest topics - you can "feel" that he loves the subject.
>>
>> If anyone gets a chance at Cisco Live to attend Troubleshooting OSPF -
> he's
>> the guy - I'd highly recommend the class.
>>
>>
>> I enjoy classes with Narbik no doubt. His lectures are well rehearsed and
>> validated prior to class.
>>
>> Umm... if anyone things I don't question the hell out of the guy - in
> class,
>> out of class, and even at 4am in the morning... ask the other guys in
>> attendance... if I think he is wrong - I challenge. If I think he did not
>> clarify enough - I ask for more... etc.
>>
>> I probably ask more questions by myself than the entire rest of the ~20
>> people in attendance and I don't stop. It's my nature.
>>
>> So... don't think I give the guy an easy time in class, at lunch, or
>> dinner... or for those 5--6 hours Sunday evening....
>>
>> I worked him over and asked more things than mostly any other other
> student
>> might and some things that would perplex some of our favorite instructors
> -
>> all hours day or night... in class and out of class.
>>
>> He delivered the goods.
>>
>> Not saying other guys can't do as well...
>>
>> I get accused of "interviewing" co-workers, vendors, etc. all the time and
>> maybe I am guilty of it... Perhaps.
>>
>> However, I tend to dig untill satisfied.
>>
>> Now some people take my queries quite wrongly and some may even see them
> as
>> attacks - can't help that... however, I ask stuff for my benefit or even
> for
>> the benefit of the assembled group...
>>
>> We paid a lot of money to attend the class, travel to class, stay in
> hotels,
>> and other misc. fees - I believe asking a little more from such a master
>> instructor is par for the course.
>>
>> I have seen instructor avoid the students at lunch... and disappear
>> immediately after a class as a consistent rule for whatever reasons...
>>
>> Judge that behavior as you will - some people have lives and need to get
>> away from it all.
>>
>> Me - I live technology -24/7/365 in some shape, form, or fashion and I
>> deploy nearly the entire gamut of products Cisco has for the
>> Campus/Enterprise and so I have questions or concerns that not everyone is
>> going to have...
>>
>> The service provider guys have a different set of concerns and questions -
>> not usually mine.
>>
>> I think it helps us all when we know our instructors have a little more
>> breadth and depth of knowlelge than the notes they have prepared or the
>> slideshow they have delivered who knows how many times.
>>
>> Every thing Narbik dicussed on the board has been tested by the man and
> some
>> of the issues came directly from this forum. Directly. He tells of them as
>> he goes and why he decided to make examples of each of them for his
> classes.
>>
>> Hope that helps a little....
>>
>> I'm not exactly a billboard.
>>
>> FYI - I still love INE's contributions to the CCIE world, I just don't
> know
>> if the same level of prep is present in all of the materials I've seen
> that
>> the Brians themselves used to deliver - I know Brian M. has gotten a lot
>> better and he delivers like he means it.
>>
>> Now... I've seen some private DVD collections on Ebay done by individuals
>> and without mentioning names... I value them almost exclusively for the
>> sheer number of errors that one person can make with a camera and a CLI...
>> Not to be mean - I bought them and I find a certain a value from them...
>> however 100% accuracy is not why. Nor is the value of explanations either
>> per se.
>>
>> Darby Weaver
>>
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>>
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