Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Because he has too much hair!

Kenny

On Aug 10, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Why do you guys hate Marko so much? Why would you want him to go through
> that torture?
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Marko
>>
>> Best of Luck for your CCDE !
>>
>> Crack it
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need my CCDE first. After that - who knows :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:56, "Robert Gridley" <bobby_at_gridley.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> that really doesnB4t sounds good.
>>>>
>>>> @ Marko: Are you gonna do the Architect ?
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> robert
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marko Milivojevic" <
>>> markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>> To: "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
>>>> Cc: "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>; "Scott Morris" <
>>> swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Almost every CCAr. The latest one to leave was Russ White.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>>>>
>>>>> Free CCIE Training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>>>>
>>>>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
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>>>>>
>>>>> :: Sent from my phone. Apologies for errors and brevity. ::
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:28, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
>>>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>>> http://www.ccie18473.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>>> Ronnie Angello
>>>>>> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
>>>>>> To: Scott Morris
>>>>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version,
>> or
>>> can
>>>>>> you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some
>> changes,
>>> like
>>>>>> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4,
>>> among
>>>>>> other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
>>> (IS-IS,
>>>>>> IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard
>>> conflicting
>>>>>> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm
>> not
>>> sure
>>>>>> what to expect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th
>> time
>>>>>> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with
>> much
>>> of
>>>>>> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about
>>> how
>>>>>> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot
>> of
>>>>>> questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence
>> about
>>>>>> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that
>>> there is
>>>>>> a new team, fresh content, etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Ronnie
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
>>>>>>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
>>>>>>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the
>> "why"
>>>>>>> part about what was chosen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
>>>>>>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
>>>>>>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they
>>> did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there
>>> are
>>>>>>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
>>>>>>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you
>>> have
>>>>>>> to sift through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading
>> anything
>>> is
>>>>>>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages)
>> people
>>>>>>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
>>>>>>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do
>> for
>>>>>>> the whole exam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a
>>> technology
>>>>>>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes
>>> you
>>>>>>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
>>>>>>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
>>>>>>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the
>>> CCDE
>>>>>>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
>>>>>>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So
>> know
>>>>>>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to
>> use
>>>>>>> them (why).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>> #4713,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very
>> very
>>>>>>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post,
>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> happy about the replies).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the
>> new
>>>>>> SPv3
>>>>>>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR.
>> I'm
>>>>>>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost
>> the
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier)
>> just
>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3
>> at
>>> all.
>>>>>>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with
>>> you.
>>>>>>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting
>> Blog
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
>>> question.
>>>>>>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have
>> attended
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think
>>> (hope)
>>>>>>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring
>> lots
>>> of
>>>>>>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your
>> ideas!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or
>> SPv3,
>>> and
>>>>>>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to
>> agree
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3
>>> and
>>>>>>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead
>> of
>>>>>>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial
>>> point
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> view).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger #23543
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any
>> good
>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them".
>> Can
>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and
>>> want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Travis
>>>>>>>>>
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