Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Ken,

hahahahahaha

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Ken Swanson <ken.swanson.skate_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Because he has too much hair!
>
> Kenny
>
> On Aug 10, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why do you guys hate Marko so much? Why would you want him to go through
> > that torture?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Marko
> >>
> >> Best of Luck for your CCDE !
> >>
> >> Crack it
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
> markom_at_ipexpert.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I need my CCDE first. After that - who knows :-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
> >>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
> >>>
> >>> Free CCIE Training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
> >>>
> >>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
> >>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> >>> Community: http://www.ipexpert.com/communities
> >>>
> >>> :: Sent from my phone. Apologies for errors and brevity. ::
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:56, "Robert Gridley" <bobby_at_gridley.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> that really doesnB4t sounds good.
> >>>>
> >>>> @ Marko: Are you gonna do the Architect ?
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> robert
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marko Milivojevic" <
> >>> markom_at_ipexpert.com>
> >>>> To: "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> >>>> Cc: "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>; "Scott Morris" <
> >>> swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:04 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Almost every CCAr. The latest one to leave was Russ White.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
> >>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Free CCIE Training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
> >>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> >>>>> Community: http://www.ipexpert.com/communities
> >>>>>
> >>>>> :: Sent from my phone. Apologies for errors and brevity. ::
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:28, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
> >>>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>>>>> http://www.ccie18473.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> >>> Of
> >>>>>> Ronnie Angello
> >>>>>> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
> >>>>>> To: Scott Morris
> >>>>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version,
> >> or
> >>> can
> >>>>>> you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some
> >> changes,
> >>> like
> >>>>>> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4,
> >>> among
> >>>>>> other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
> >>> (IS-IS,
> >>>>>> IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard
> >>> conflicting
> >>>>>> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm
> >> not
> >>> sure
> >>>>>> what to expect.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th
> >> time
> >>>>>> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with
> >> much
> >>> of
> >>>>>> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known
> about
> >>> how
> >>>>>> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot
> >> of
> >>>>>> questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence
> >> about
> >>>>>> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that
> >>> there is
> >>>>>> a new team, fresh content, etc...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Ronnie
> >>>>>> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
> >>>>>>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
> >>>>>>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the
> >> "why"
> >>>>>>> part about what was chosen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response
> though).
> >>>>>>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding
> based
> >>>>>>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path
> they
> >>> did.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there
> >>> are
> >>>>>>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
> >>>>>>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you
> >>> have
> >>>>>>> to sift through.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading
> >> anything
> >>> is
> >>>>>>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages)
> >> people
> >>>>>>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
> >>>>>>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do
> >> for
> >>>>>>> the whole exam.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a
> >>> technology
> >>>>>>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes
> >>> you
> >>>>>>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
> >>>>>>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
> >>>>>>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the
> >>> CCDE
> >>>>>>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches
> service
> >>>>>>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So
> >> know
> >>>>>>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to
> >> use
> >>>>>>> them (why).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> HTH,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> >>> #4713,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Power corrupts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very
> >> very
> >>>>>>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial
> post,
> >>> I'm
> >>>>>>>> happy about the replies).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the
> >> new
> >>>>>> SPv3
> >>>>>>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR.
> >> I'm
> >>>>>>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost
> >> the
> >>>>>> hope
> >>>>>>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier)
> >> just
> >>> a
> >>>>>> few
> >>>>>>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3
> >> at
> >>> all.
> >>>>>>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree
> with
> >>> you.
> >>>>>>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting
> >> Blog
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
> >>> question.
> >>>>>>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have
> >> attended
> >>>>>> (and
> >>>>>>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think
> >>> (hope)
> >>>>>>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring
> >> lots
> >>> of
> >>>>>>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your
> >> ideas!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or
> >> SPv3,
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to
> >> agree
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead
> >> of
> >>>>>>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial
> >>> point
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> view).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Roger #23543
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any
> >> good
> >>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them".
> >> Can
> >>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written
> and
> >>> want
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Travis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >> Gaurav Thukral
> >>
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