Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Hi Marko

Best of Luck for your CCDE !

Crack it

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> I need my CCDE first. After that - who knows :-)
>
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> On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:56, "Robert Gridley" <bobby_at_gridley.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > that really doesnB4t sounds good.
> >
> > @ Marko: Are you gonna do the Architect ?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > robert
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marko Milivojevic" <
> markom_at_ipexpert.com>
> > To: "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> > Cc: "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>; "Scott Morris" <
> swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> >
> >
> >> Almost every CCAr. The latest one to leave was Russ White.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
> >> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
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> >>
> >> On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:28, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
> >>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>> http://www.ccie18473.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> Ronnie Angello
> >>> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
> >>> To: Scott Morris
> >>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> >>>
> >>> Scott,
> >>>
> >>> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version, or
> can
> >>> you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some changes,
> like
> >>> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4,
> among
> >>> other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
> (IS-IS,
> >>> IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard
> conflicting
> >>> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm not
> sure
> >>> what to expect.
> >>>
> >>> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th time
> >>> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with much
> of
> >>> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about
> how
> >>> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot of
> >>> questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence about
> >>> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that
> there is
> >>> a new team, fresh content, etc...
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Ronnie
> >>> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> >>>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
> >>>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
> >>>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
> >>>> part about what was chosen.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
> >>>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
> >>>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they
> did.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there
> are
> >>>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
> >>>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you
> have
> >>>> to sift through.
> >>>>
> >>>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything
> is
> >>>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
> >>>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
> >>>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
> >>>> the whole exam.
> >>>>
> >>>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a
> technology
> >>>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes
> you
> >>>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
> >>>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
> >>>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
> >>>>
> >>>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the
> CCDE
> >>>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
> >>>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
> >>>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
> >>>> them (why).
> >>>>
> >>>> HTH,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> >>>>
> >>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> >>>>
> >>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>>>
> >>>> swm_at_emanon.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Knowledge is power.
> >>>>
> >>>> Power corrupts.
> >>>>
> >>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
> >>>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post,
> I'm
> >>>>> happy about the replies).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new
> >>> SPv3
> >>>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
> >>>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the
> >>> hope
> >>>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just
> a
> >>> few
> >>>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at
> all.
> >>>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with
> you.
> >>>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog
> >>> from
> >>>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
> question.
> >>>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended
> >>> (and
> >>>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think
> (hope)
> >>>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots
> of
> >>>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3,
> and
> >>>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree
> >>> with
> >>>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3
> and
> >>>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
> >>>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial
> point
> >>> of
> >>>>> view).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger #23543
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good
> >>> help
> >>>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
> >>>>>> someone
> >>>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and
> want
> >>> to
> >>>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Travis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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