Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

I need my CCDE first. After that - who knows :-)

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On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:56, "Robert Gridley" <bobby_at_gridley.de> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> that really doesnB4t sounds good.
> 
> @ Marko: Are you gonna do the Architect ?
> 
> regards,
> 
> robert
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marko Milivojevic" <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
> To: "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> Cc: "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>; "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> 
>> Almost every CCAr. The latest one to leave was Russ White.
>> 
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>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
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>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:28, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>> http://www.ccie18473.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Ronnie Angello
>>> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
>>> To: Scott Morris
>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version, or can
>>> you even share that info?  The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some changes, like
>>> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4, among
>>> other things.  I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies (IS-IS,
>>> IPv6?) were being removed as well...  Since then I have heard conflicting
>>> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm not sure
>>> what to expect.
>>> 
>>> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th time
>>> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated.  Of course with much of
>>> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about how
>>> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot of
>>> questions about the future of the CCDE.  I'm kind of on the fence about
>>> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that there is
>>> a new team, fresh content, etc...
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ronnie
>>> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>>>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
>>>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
>>>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
>>>> part about what was chosen.
>>>> 
>>>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
>>>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
>>>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they did.
>>>> 
>>>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there are
>>>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
>>>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you have
>>>> to sift through.
>>>> 
>>>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything is
>>>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
>>>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
>>>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
>>>> the whole exam.
>>>> 
>>>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a technology
>>>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
>>>> 
>>>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes you
>>>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
>>>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
>>>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
>>>> 
>>>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the CCDE
>>>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
>>>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
>>>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
>>>> them (why).
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>> 
>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>>> 
>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>> 
>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>> 
>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>> 
>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
>>>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
>>>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post, I'm
>>>>> happy about the replies).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new
>>> SPv3
>>>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
>>>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the
>>> hope
>>>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just a
>>> few
>>>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at all.
>>>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with you.
>>>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog
>>> from
>>>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my question.
>>>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended
>>> (and
>>>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think (hope)
>>>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots of
>>>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3, and
>>>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree
>>> with
>>>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3 and
>>>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
>>>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial point
>>> of
>>>>> view).
>>>>> 
>>>>> regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger #23543
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good
>>> help
>>>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and want
>>> to
>>>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Travis
>>>>>> 
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