Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Why do you guys hate Marko so much? Why would you want him to go through
that torture?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Marko
>
> Best of Luck for your CCDE !
>
> Crack it
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I need my CCDE first. After that - who knows :-)
> >
> > --
> > Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
> > Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
> >
> > Free CCIE Training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
> >
> > Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
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> >
> > :: Sent from my phone. Apologies for errors and brevity. ::
> >
> >
> > On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:56, "Robert Gridley" <bobby_at_gridley.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > that really doesnB4t sounds good.
> > >
> > > @ Marko: Are you gonna do the Architect ?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > robert
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marko Milivojevic" <
> > markom_at_ipexpert.com>
> > > To: "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> > > Cc: "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>; "Scott Morris" <
> > swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> > >
> > >
> > >> Almost every CCAr. The latest one to leave was Russ White.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
> > >> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
> > >>
> > >> Free CCIE Training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
> > >>
> > >> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
> > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > >> Community: http://www.ipexpert.com/communities
> > >>
> > >> :: Sent from my phone. Apologies for errors and brevity. ::
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:28, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
> > >>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> > >>> http://www.ccie18473.net
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > >>> Ronnie Angello
> > >>> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
> > >>> To: Scott Morris
> > >>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott,
> > >>>
> > >>> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version,
> or
> > can
> > >>> you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some
> changes,
> > like
> > >>> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4,
> > among
> > >>> other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
> > (IS-IS,
> > >>> IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard
> > conflicting
> > >>> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm
> not
> > sure
> > >>> what to expect.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th
> time
> > >>> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with
> much
> > of
> > >>> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about
> > how
> > >>> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot
> of
> > >>> questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence
> about
> > >>> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that
> > there is
> > >>> a new team, fresh content, etc...
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Ronnie
> > >>> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> > >>>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
> > >>>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
> > >>>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the
> "why"
> > >>>> part about what was chosen.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
> > >>>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
> > >>>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they
> > did.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there
> > are
> > >>>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
> > >>>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you
> > have
> > >>>> to sift through.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading
> anything
> > is
> > >>>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages)
> people
> > >>>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
> > >>>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do
> for
> > >>>> the whole exam.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a
> > technology
> > >>>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes
> > you
> > >>>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
> > >>>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
> > >>>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the
> > CCDE
> > >>>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
> > >>>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So
> know
> > >>>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to
> use
> > >>>> them (why).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> HTH,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >>>>
> > >>>> swm_at_emanon.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Knowledge is power.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Power corrupts.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very
> very
> > >>>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post,
> > I'm
> > >>>>> happy about the replies).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the
> new
> > >>> SPv3
> > >>>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR.
> I'm
> > >>>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost
> the
> > >>> hope
> > >>>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier)
> just
> > a
> > >>> few
> > >>>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3
> at
> > all.
> > >>>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with
> > you.
> > >>>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting
> Blog
> > >>> from
> > >>>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
> > question.
> > >>>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have
> attended
> > >>> (and
> > >>>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think
> > (hope)
> > >>>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring
> lots
> > of
> > >>>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your
> ideas!!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or
> SPv3,
> > and
> > >>>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to
> agree
> > >>> with
> > >>>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3
> > and
> > >>>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead
> of
> > >>>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial
> > point
> > >>> of
> > >>>>> view).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> regards
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Roger #23543
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any
> good
> > >>> help
> > >>>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them".
> Can
> > >>>>>> someone
> > >>>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and
> > want
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Travis
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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