Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?

Can some define so called "experience"?

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Jack Router <pan.router_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not think there are doctors with 0 experience. Studying to be a doctor
> requires a lot of supervised practice and that is why it takes much longer
> to be a doctor than any other field.
>
> What is a "Dynamipper CCIE"? Someone who never touched a real hardware but
> passed CCIE Lab with 0 experience? Is that even possible?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Radioactive Frog
> Sent: 11-Feb-10 05:56
> To: Jared Scrivener
> Cc: group-study; ChoChan; Stephen Robinson; Scott Morris; darth router;
> Dark
> Fiber; Anthony Faria; John Pelletier; Ramanpreet Singh; Joseph L. Brunner
> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jared Scrivener
> <lists_at_jaredscrivener.com>wrote:
>
> > I'll take a dynamipper CCIE (I hate that term) over an experienced
> non-CCIE
> > any day of the week.
> >
>
>
> What would be the most people's preference? would they like to be operated
> by a doctor with 10 yrs experience in surgery or just brand new doctor with
> 0.5 yrs experience?
>
> Same thing with business - the BIG bang project, they won't be hiring a
> fresh CCIE to make the big bang happen! of course he'd be doing networking
> part only.
>
> I agreed with you, yes it touches mos tof the topics which u'll see in
> "CISCO" environment. but if there is something else between 2 cisco box,
> the
> new CCIE will be obvious don't know about them.
>
>
>
>
> > Experience teaches you a lot but it leaves a lot of
> > holes in you knowledge on areas you haven't worked with. The CCIE covers
> > all
> > bases technically and operational skills can be learned on the fly
> > relatively easily meaning you can do most roles comfortably. Working on a
> > helpdesk (non-TAC) with a CCIE often implies someone doesn't know their
> own
> > value or didn't learn good interview skills - I wish that was taught with
> > the CCIE exam...
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jared Scrivener
> > CCSI #30878, CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >
> > www.MicronicsTraining.com
> > Sr. Technical Instructor
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks available
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I totally agreed with Scott. No cert can beat the experience. The
> > > experience
> > > will be the tie breaker.
> > > just to give you an idea - I know a few fresh dynamipper ccie's (R&S of
> > > course) and they are working as a helpdesk operator.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > It's about theperson and their experiences that go along with the
> > > knowledge
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:13 PM, ChoChan <cho.chanman_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You are going to also pee in a cup and get a skin graft sample to
> > confirm
> > > > DNA. Don't forget about the hernia test that the receptionist will
> > > > administrate for maximum security. Cough. Cough.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Stephen Robinson
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:37 PM
> > > > To: Scott Morris; darth router
> > > > Cc: Dark Fiber; Anthony Faria; John Pelletier; Ramanpreet Singh;
> > > > group-study; Joseph L. Brunner
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah Scott...
> > > >
> > > > The rest... "stop hate'n and get cha money on"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Stephen L. Robinson
> > > > srobinson_at_qtzl.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> > > > > Organization: Internetwork Expert - CCIE Training
> > > > > Reply-To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> > > > > Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:15:14 -0500
> > > > > To: darth router <darklordrouter_at_gmail.com>
> > > > > Cc: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>, Anthony Faria
> > > > <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>,
> > > > > John Pelletier <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>, Ramanpreet Singh
> > > > > <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>, group-study <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>,
> > > > "Joseph
> > > > L.
> > > > > Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Blah, blah, blah... Dude, People have been saying the same thing
> > > about
> > > > > devaluation for the past 11+ years since I was studying/getting/got
> > my
> > > > > CCIE!
> > > > >
> > > > > Amazingly enough, there's still plenty of jobs... There still
> plenty
> > > of
> > > > > $$ to go with them... There is still plenty of people looking for
> > > CCIEs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why don't some people have jobs? Because like ANY other industry
> > it's
> > > > > not just about a title/piece-of-paper/number/whatever. It's about
> > the
> > > > > person and their experiences that go along with the knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> > > > >
> > > > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > > > >
> > > > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > > > >
> > > > > evil_at_ine.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > > >
> > > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge is power.
> > > > >
> > > > > Power corrupts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > > > >
> > > > > darth router wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It's one step closer to assembly line mass production. At that
> > point,
> > > > simple
> > > > > economics devalues it. The CCIE is valuable because of it's
> > > reputation
> > > > of
> > > > > expertise, and because it is rare. If he former or latter go
> away,
> > > then
> > > > > what?
> > > > >
> > > > > Possibly no proctor? Lame. Less security as it's run by a third
> > party
> > > > > company? (we all know what this means) Lame. Cisco, the company?
> > Mega
> > > > gay
> > > > > lame. Oh well, we should all know that putting our eggs in the
> same
> > > > basket
> > > > > isn't the smartest idea. Time to diversity!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Dark Fiber <
> > darkfiber08_at_gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You guys are all so funny! How does this devalue the cert? You
> > are
> > > > > still taking the same exam and need to know the same material.
> > What
> > > > is
> > > > > the difference between this and the mobile lab? Sounds as if
> alot
> > > of
> > > > > people are looking for any excuse not to study and take the
> easy
> > > why
> > > > > out by saying the CCIE is worthless now I quit...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Anthony Faria <
> > > > tfaria72_at_gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > LMAO
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:20 AM, John Pelletier <
> > > > > john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > When I said Cisco is becoming more and more like MS some
> > people
> > > > jumped
> > > > >
> > > > > all
> > > > >
> > > > > over that statement. I wish I could pick em like that at
> the
> > > > racetrack
> > > > > I
> > > > > would
> > > > > be a rich man.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Joseph L. Brunner
> > > > > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> > > > > To: "Ramanpreet Singh" <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>
> > > > ,
> > > > > "CCIE Groupstudy" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> Date:
> > > Tuesday,
> > > > > February 9, 2010, 1:34 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Excellent.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to China to get my Medical License, My Gulfstream
> V
> > > > Pilot's
> > > > > License,
> > > > > Certified Bank Examiner License, and oh, and my security
> > CCIE.
> > > > >
> > > > > "High-Stakes" Wasn't that a Steven Seagal Movie?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Joe
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [
> > > > > mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com ] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Ramanpreet Singh
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:14 PM
> > > > > To: CCIE Groupstudy
> > > > > Subject: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > February 8, 2010
> > > > >
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