I'll take a dynamipper CCIE (I hate that term) over an experienced non-CCIE
any day of the week. Experience teaches you a lot but it leaves a lot of
holes in you knowledge on areas you haven't worked with. The CCIE covers all
bases technically and operational skills can be learned on the fly
relatively easily meaning you can do most roles comfortably. Working on a
helpdesk (non-TAC) with a CCIE often implies someone doesn't know their own
value or didn't learn good interview skills - I wish that was taught with
the CCIE exam...
-- Cheers, Jared Scrivener CCSI #30878, CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, SP, Security) www.MicronicsTraining.com Sr. Technical Instructor YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! Training And Remote Racks available On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote: > I totally agreed with Scott. No cert can beat the experience. The > experience > will be the tie breaker. > just to give you an idea - I know a few fresh dynamipper ccie's (R&S of > course) and they are working as a helpdesk operator. > > ------------------------------ > It's about theperson and their experiences that go along with the > knowledge > -------------------------------- > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:13 PM, ChoChan <cho.chanman_at_gmail.com> wrote: > > > You are going to also pee in a cup and get a skin graft sample to confirm > > DNA. Don't forget about the hernia test that the receptionist will > > administrate for maximum security. Cough. Cough. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > > Stephen Robinson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:37 PM > > To: Scott Morris; darth router > > Cc: Dark Fiber; Anthony Faria; John Pelletier; Ramanpreet Singh; > > group-study; Joseph L. Brunner > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? > > > > Yeah Scott... > > > > The rest... "stop hate'n and get cha money on" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Stephen L. Robinson > > srobinson_at_qtzl.com > > > > > > > From: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> > > > Organization: Internetwork Expert - CCIE Training > > > Reply-To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> > > > Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:15:14 -0500 > > > To: darth router <darklordrouter_at_gmail.com> > > > Cc: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>, Anthony Faria > > <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>, > > > John Pelletier <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>, Ramanpreet Singh > > > <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>, group-study <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, > > "Joseph > > L. > > > Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? > > > > > > Blah, blah, blah... Dude, People have been saying the same thing > about > > > devaluation for the past 11+ years since I was studying/getting/got my > > > CCIE! > > > > > > Amazingly enough, there's still plenty of jobs... There still plenty > of > > > $$ to go with them... There is still plenty of people looking for > CCIEs. > > > > > > Why don't some people have jobs? Because like ANY other industry it's > > > not just about a title/piece-of-paper/number/whatever. It's about the > > > person and their experiences that go along with the knowledge. > > > > > > Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, > > > > > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. > > > > > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER > > > > > > evil_at_ine.com > > > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. > > > > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com > > > > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 > > > > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 > > > > > > Knowledge is power. > > > > > > Power corrupts. > > > > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... > > > > > > darth router wrote: > > > > > > It's one step closer to assembly line mass production. At that point, > > simple > > > economics devalues it. The CCIE is valuable because of it's > reputation > > of > > > expertise, and because it is rare. If he former or latter go away, > then > > > what? > > > > > > Possibly no proctor? Lame. Less security as it's run by a third party > > > company? (we all know what this means) Lame. Cisco, the company? Mega > > gay > > > lame. Oh well, we should all know that putting our eggs in the same > > basket > > > isn't the smartest idea. Time to diversity! > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > You guys are all so funny! How does this devalue the cert? You are > > > still taking the same exam and need to know the same material. What > > is > > > the difference between this and the mobile lab? Sounds as if alot > of > > > people are looking for any excuse not to study and take the easy > why > > > out by saying the CCIE is worthless now I quit... > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Anthony Faria < > > tfaria72_at_gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > LMAO > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:20 AM, John Pelletier < > > > john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com > wrote: > > > > > > When I said Cisco is becoming more and more like MS some people > > jumped > > > > > > all > > > > > > over that statement. I wish I could pick em like that at the > > racetrack > > > I > > > would > > > be a rich man. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Joseph L. Brunner > > > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote: > > > > > > From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? > > > To: "Ramanpreet Singh" <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com> > > , > > > "CCIE Groupstudy" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> Date: > Tuesday, > > > February 9, 2010, 1:34 AM > > > > > > Excellent. > > > > > > I'm going to China to get my Medical License, My Gulfstream V > > Pilot's > > > License, > > > Certified Bank Examiner License, and oh, and my security CCIE. > > > > > > "High-Stakes" Wasn't that a Steven Seagal Movie? > > > > > > -Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [ > > > mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com ] On Behalf Of > > > Ramanpreet Singh > > > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:14 PM > > > To: CCIE Groupstudy > > > Subject: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? > > > > > > --- > > > February 8, 2010 > > > > > > New CCIE R&S Lab Exam Opportunities > > > > > > To increase testing opportunities for certification candidates, > > Cisco. > > > > > > will > > > > > > be offering the CCIE. 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