Re: CCIE R and S ver 4

Didn't all the trainers fail the 1 day lab when they took it?

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh_at_ine.com> wrote:
> I can remember when the lab changed from the 2 day format to the 1 day
> format. This was back in October of 2001 as I recall. This was shortly
> after I started studying for the lab.
>
> The conversations were similiar to what I am seeing here since this latest
> change.
>
> We were all bantering back and forth with many negative comments and even
> pondering if it was possible to be "compressed" into a 1 day format.
>
> We all know that it was possible and there were some pains at first then
> as well, but it all worked out. I think that these changes, given time,
> will work out as well.
>
>
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203
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> Thanks
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> Larry Hadrava, Larryh_at_INE.com
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> CCIE #12203 (R&S)
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 12:42
> Subject:Re: CCIE R and S ver 4
>
> Guys if you think it is impossible and quit they have successfully weeded
> you out.
> Many have said they failed but it was passable if you know the bp. My 2 cents
> Regards,
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> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&amp;S
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jose manzano <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:17
> To: groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: CCIE R and S ver 4
>
> There would be a study factor if it would be possible to pass the exam , but
> I have yet to read of anyone passing the new v4 lab.
>
> Cisco will modify the v4 lab if in the end they have put together a lab
> exam with unrealistic &amp; unachievable expectations.
>
> I for one though do not like the route it's going as it's starting to
> feel like all this time i've invested, and continue to invest preparing for
> this one exam is in vane as it's nearly impossible to achieve now.
>
> Then again we are only a few weeks into the new exam, so lets see how it
> plays out in the next few months i guess.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheaters don't care about that lol
>>
>> On 11/2/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > what about study factor?
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> luck factor or F**K factor is prime issue of V4.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Jack <ccie.unnumbered_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In consulting business, we keep asking the client what they want until
>> >> the
>> >> > case is clear before we give advice.
>> >> > Some people mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are vague. I
>> >> doubt
>> >> > Howard at RTP is that helpful in explaining the tickets, based on my
>> two
>> >> > experience in V3. Last time when I was there, Howard left early. His
>> >> > replacement/substitute was younger and much more polite, humble,
>> modest,
>> >> and
>> >> > most of all, helpful. Thanks to the young gentleman, I was able to
>> >> > clear
>> >> > one sentence in a configuration question, and one requirement which
>> was
>> >> not
>> >> > said in the entire question set. Maybe it was mentioned in the
>> preface,
>> >> but
>> >> > I was too sick that day to search any statements outside the
>> questions.
>> >> > Howard could have answered, "this is basic knowledge (common sense)"
>> or
>> >> > "follow what the requirement says".
>> >> >
>> >> > Some mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are not specific and
>> >> need
>> >> > time and luck to pin down. Time and luck are the focus of V4, in my
>> >> humble
>> >> > opinion based on the feedbacks.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jack
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Terry Vinson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> The old exam was centered around configuration, the new test is
>> >> >> centered
>> >> >> more around consulting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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