Re: CCIE R and S ver 4

don't you think this will cause alarm bells in cisco's eyes? a vendor
sitting the exam

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> you take the name of vendors and every one is here to sell out...this time
> we ask to appear... lets see who gotta balls :)
>
>
>
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I have been saying that.. Scott is ready.. who else?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Agreed... if vendors can not pass then who their products can do the
> >>> "Magic".
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Nadeem,
> >>> >
> >>> > You have a point. Each vendor should send their best man to the lab
> to
> >>> > prove that their product is adequate to help people study for and
> pass
> >>> > the new exam. If this no-pass continues they will either have to do
> >>> > this or start their going out of business sale.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> > > if some one gota balls he should re-appear instead of making huge
> >>> claims
> >>> > :)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Who is going to attempt V4, having already numbers...
> >>> > > Some one show courage :)
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joe Astorino <
> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> >>> >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> Guys if you think it is impossible and quit they have successfully
> >>> > weeded
> >>> > >> you out. Many have said they failed but it was passable if you
> know
> >>> the
> >>> > bp.
> >>> > >> My 2 cents
> >>> > >> Regards,
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> >>> > >> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> >>> > >> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> >>> > >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> >>> > >> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> > >> From: jose manzano <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> >>> > >> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:17
> >>> > >> To: groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>> > >> Subject: Re: CCIE R and S ver 4
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> There would be a study factor if it would be possible to pass the
> >>> exam ,
> >>> > >> but
> >>> > >> I have yet to read of anyone passing the new v4 lab.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Cisco will modify the v4 lab if in the end they have put
> together
> >>> a
> >>> > lab
> >>> > >> exam with unrealistic & unachievable expectations.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I for one though do not like the route it's going as it's
> >>> starting to
> >>> > >> feel like all this time i've invested, and continue to invest
> >>> preparing
> >>> > for
> >>> > >> this one exam is in vane as it's nearly impossible to achieve now.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Then again we are only a few weeks into the new exam, so lets see
> >>> how
> >>> > it
> >>> > >> plays out in the next few months i guess.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Atlanta CCIE <
> atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> > >> wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> > Cheaters don't care about that lol
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > On 11/2/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >> > > what about study factor?
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com
> >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > >> > >
> >>> > >> > >> luck factor or F**K factor is prime issue of V4.
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Jack <
> >>> ccie.unnumbered_at_gmail.com>
> >>> > >> wrote:
> >>> > >> > >>
> >>> > >> > >> > In consulting business, we keep asking the client what they
> >>> want
> >>> > >> until
> >>> > >> > >> the
> >>> > >> > >> > case is clear before we give advice.
> >>> > >> > >> > Some people mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are
> >>> > vague.
> >>> > >> I
> >>> > >> > >> doubt
> >>> > >> > >> > Howard at RTP is that helpful in explaining the tickets,
> >>> based on
> >>> > my
> >>> > >> > two
> >>> > >> > >> > experience in V3. Last time when I was there, Howard left
> >>> early.
> >>> > >> His
> >>> > >> > >> > replacement/substitute was younger and much more polite,
> >>> humble,
> >>> > >> > modest,
> >>> > >> > >> and
> >>> > >> > >> > most of all, helpful. Thanks to the young gentleman, I was
> >>> able
> >>> > to
> >>> > >> > >> > clear
> >>> > >> > >> > one sentence in a configuration question, and one
> requirement
> >>> > which
> >>> > >> > was
> >>> > >> > >> not
> >>> > >> > >> > said in the entire question set. Maybe it was mentioned in
> >>> the
> >>> > >> > preface,
> >>> > >> > >> but
> >>> > >> > >> > I was too sick that day to search any statements outside
> the
> >>> > >> > questions.
> >>> > >> > >> > Howard could have answered, "this is basic knowledge
> (common
> >>> > >> sense)"
> >>> > >> > or
> >>> > >> > >> > "follow what the requirement says".
> >>> > >> > >> >
> >>> > >> > >> > Some mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are not
> >>> specific
> >>> > >> and
> >>> > >> > >> need
> >>> > >> > >> > time and luck to pin down. Time and luck are the focus of
> >>> V4, in
> >>> > my
> >>> > >> > >> humble
> >>> > >> > >> > opinion based on the feedbacks.
> >>> > >> > >> >
> >>> > >> > >> > Jack
> >>> > >> > >> >
> >>> > >> > >> >
> >>> > >> > >> > Terry Vinson wrote:
> >>> > >> > >> >
> >>> > >> > >> >> The old exam was centered around configuration, the new
> test
> >>> is
> >>> > >> > >> >> centered
> >>> > >> > >> >> more around consulting.
> >>> > >> > >> >>
> >>> > >> > >> >
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