Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.

Antonio,

I just sent them both a message via LinkedIn. Let's wait and see.

Cheers,
Marc

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 14:53, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> wrote:

> Any news from Michael and Rene ? I'm very curious about their stories.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Mur [mailto:rmur_at_ipexpert.com]
> Sent: domingo, 25 de Outubro de 2009 13:11
> To: Marc La Porte
> Cc: Antonio Soares; Ryan West; mark jackson; Tony Varriale;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>
> I'll ask Michael as well. I work with him. Funny, didn't ever pay attention
> to those dates, but it's remarkable and indeed it seems
> to be an honorary number.
>
> To be continued...
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Mur
> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
> Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
> On 24 okt 2009, at 17:06, Marc La Porte wrote:
>
> > Antonio, et al.
> >
> > Thank you for the extra addition. I will add him.
> >
> > The "oldest" CCIE in number is and will always be Stuart Biggs with
> > #1025.
> > The "oldest" CCIE in date that I had on my list so far is Michael
> > Stolwijk
> > (#1083) who received it on 04-Mar-1993. It seems to be that all guys
> > who in date got their CCIE number earlier than Stuart Biggs got an
> > honorary CCIE number once the CCIE program got officially started. I
> > don't know if they went through an exam, but I can ask Rene v/d Hauw
> > (CCIE #1084) as I know him personally. To me, and to the list, the
> > number counts, not the date.
> > The
> > same applies to people who get their CCIE number after a reread.
> > They have
> > an earlier date in comparison to the number, but the number is what
> > counts.
> >
> > Regarding the CCDE, they did it a bit smarter, as the honorary CCDEs
> > before Ryan Hicks do have earlier numbers as well, so this makes sense
> > and keeps it clear. See here
> > <http://cciehof.weebly.com/ccde-hall-of-fame.html>
> > for the
> > list so far (as I know).
> >
> > All in all, it doesn't matter at all, not even the number, because
> > what counts is if you can actually configure/troubleshoot those darn
> > routers and switches, keeping it all up and running, keeping the
> > customer happy, and maintaining business. Without business, without
> > customers, there is no need for routers and switches and thus no CCIE
> > either.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 03:14, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> He received the award from John Chambers and received the medail a
> >> few weeks/months later. It was a long time ago and he doesn't
> >> remember very well. But he thinks the dinner with John Chambers was
> >> in January (Networkers '93 Paris).
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
> >> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 1:39
> >> To: Antonio Soares; 'mark jackson'
> >> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>
> >> Antonio,
> >>
> >> Did Pedro retake the CCIE or was he awarded the number in hindsight?
> >>
> >> -ryan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >> Of Antonio Soares
> >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:28 PM
> >> To: 'mark jackson'
> >> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>
> >> I was just showing the facts, nothing else. And just because someone
> >> asked me so.
> >>
> >> Did you pay attention to the little logo in the award ?
> >>
> >> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG
> >>
> >> The true is that the CCIE story we all know is not exactly like that.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> >> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 0:17
> >> To: Antonio Soares
> >> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>
> >> Dude, excuse the harsh tone but it is clear as vodka to all of us
> >> that the number shows the actual certification.
> >> When Pedro got his 'award' it wasn't an actual certification program.
> >> That is why he got a later number.
> >> My bigger question is why your feathers are all ruffled over this guy
> >> Pedro??? Why isn't he out thumping his cause if he feels he deserves
> >> it? The history has been laid out, the numbers assigned and the jello
> >> is giggling and the butters is in the fridge.
> >> Put simply, take it offline and let's get back to the core reason we
> >> (the people who have achived our digits) are here...to help the up
> >> and coming achive. Not bark and bicker about 1993.
> >> Again, sorry to be blunt.
> >>
> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>
> >> On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:09 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1178 is after 1025 but January is before July :)
> >>>
> >>> CCIE #1025 - STUART BIGGS: Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE
> >>> #1178 -
> >>> PEDRO REY: Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 23:58
> >>> To: Antonio Soares
> >>> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I am still lost as to how Pedro is before Stuart???
> >>> Stuart's #
> >>> is 1025 and Pedro's is 1178. 1178 is after 1025. Unless I am off my
> >>> rocker, this isn't rocket-science.
> >>> Regardless of date, the numbers are plan to see.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:19 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok, i have it. There were about 30 engineers in Europe that took
> >>>> the program and received this award:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG
> >>>>
> >>>> They received this from John Chambers in person in a dinner in
> >>>> Networks '93 (Paris, France).
> >>>>
> >>>> Then they reveived the medail:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Medail.JPG
> >>>>
> >>>> These were the first CCIE's.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
> >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:47
> >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah...I see the June/July people. Your friend is 6 months before
> >>>> that.
> >>>> That doesn't make sense. Especially since this is the very first
> >>>> time I've ever heard of this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's get Pedro to verify his plaque and documentation from Cisco
> >>>> to see if they made an error. Or, produce names of people that
> >>>> took the class with him. Since you have access to that, you can
> >>>> focus there.
> >>>> I'm sure other people on this list will work on finding dates
> >>>> earlier than June/July.
> >>>>
> >>>> tv
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:35 PM
> >>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> More examples:
> >>>>
> >>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification
> >>>> Status Certification Date DAVIDE BIANCHINI CCIE 1095 Routing and
> >>>> Switching Re-certified 04-Jun-1993
> >>>>
> >>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification
> >>>> Status Certification Date RENE VAN DER HAUW CCIE 1184 Routing and
> >>>> Switching Inactive 08-Jul-1993
> >>>>
> >>>> Based only on Mark's list:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://cciehof.weebly.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
> >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:11
> >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, those are the facts.
> >>>>
> >>>> What you have stated previously is not.
> >>>>
> >>>> As a side note, the CCIEs just previous and just after your friend
> >>>> Pedro are all in July of 1993. Think they made a mistake and put
> >>>> Jan instead of Jul?
> >>>> I can't find anyone with a date previous to July.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since you work with him, did you see his plaque? Would it be too
> >>>> much to verify the date on it? Or, any names of people that went
> >>>> through the program in Jan with him so we can verify their numbers
> >>>> and dates?
> >>>>
> >>>> tv
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Antonio Soares
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:35 PM
> >>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> Facts:
> >>>>
> >>>> CCIE Program Announcement: Sept. 27, 1993 CCIE #1025 - STUART
> >>>> BIGGS:
> >>>> Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE #1178 - PEDRO REY:
> >>>> Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
> >>>>
> >>>> Read as you want.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
> >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 20:08
> >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can disagree all you want. There was no official CCIE program
> >>>> in January of 1993. The history of the program has been hashed out
> >>>> and is fairly well known. The lab and Terry are the beginning of
> >>>> the official program. That is recognized by Cisco.
> >>>>
> >>>> You sent a link that stated the CCIE program was official in August
> >>>> of
> >>>> 1993 (which I think some of us knew already). That proves my
> >>>> point, not yours.
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, your point is that you want your friend to be a CCIE
> >>>> before there was a CCIE program. That's great for you but it
> >>>> doesn't make it true. It is also reflected in his number.
> >>>>
> >>>> Congrats on your friend being in an early phase of what (may)
> >>>> became the program but don't misrepresent what you think may have
> >>>> happened.
> >>>>
> >>>> They weren't the first CCIEs. They may have been some of the first
> >>>> in a program that may have been a precursor to the CCIE program.
> >>>>
> >>>> tv
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:51 PM
> >>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> I must disagree. They completed the program as the others:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/1993/corp_092793.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
> >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 19:32
> >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> They aren't as they obviously did not take the lab exam in the
> >>>> official CCIE program.
> >>>>
> >>>> The people who took the official and recognized lab first are the
> >>>> first CCIEs in the world.
> >>>>
> >>>> tv
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Antonio Soares
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:33 PM
> >>>> To: 'Marc La Porte'
> >>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Mark,
> >>>>
> >>>> Please add my colleague Pedro Rey to your list:
> >>>>
> >>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track
> >>>> Certification Status Certification Date
> >>>> PEDRO REY CCIE 1178
> >>>> Routing and Switching Suspended 21-Jan-1993
> >>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>
> >>>> You can see that Pedro is an older CCIE than STUART BIGGS, TERRANCE
> >>>> SLATTERY and many more that have a lower CCIE Number.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was talking with Pedro about this and it seems in Europe some
> >>>> Engineers were awarded with the Cisco TAC Engineer Certification or
> >>>> something similar. The CCIE word came later so these guys got their
> >>>> certification renamed CCIE. Of course, their got higher numbers but
> >>>> they got their Certification first.
> >>>>
> >>>> So these are actually the first CCIE's in the World.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> >>>>
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