I asked Michael and he said that at the time there was no such thing
as the concept of the CCIE. You could take a practical exam starting
in January 1993. Michael passed it the first attempt. There was no
title connected to it.
Later that year that exam was converted or maybe a bit adjusted to the
CCIE program. Then Michael received his number as Cisco honored the
people that did the previous practical exam to be CCIE.
Michael described it as: There was a difference between passing the
exam and being registered as CCIE.
I have to recall as Michael was a bit vague in his communication :-)
-- Regards, Rick Mur CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider) Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc. URL: http://www.IPexpert.com On 28 okt 2009, at 07:12, Marc La Porte wrote: > Antonio, > > I just sent them both a message via LinkedIn. Let's wait and see. > > Cheers, > Marc > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 14:53, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> > wrote: > Any news from Michael and Rene ? I'm very curious about their stories. > > > Thanks. > > Regards, > > Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Mur [mailto:rmur_at_ipexpert.com] > Sent: domingo, 25 de Outubro de 2009 13:11 > To: Marc La Porte > Cc: Antonio Soares; Ryan West; mark jackson; Tony Varriale; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > > I'll ask Michael as well. I work with him. Funny, didn't ever pay > attention to those dates, but it's remarkable and indeed it seems > to be an honorary number. > > To be continued... > > > -- > > Regards, > > Rick Mur > CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider) > Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc. > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com > > On 24 okt 2009, at 17:06, Marc La Porte wrote: > > > Antonio, et al. > > > > Thank you for the extra addition. I will add him. > > > > The "oldest" CCIE in number is and will always be Stuart Biggs with > > #1025. > > The "oldest" CCIE in date that I had on my list so far is Michael > > Stolwijk > > (#1083) who received it on 04-Mar-1993. It seems to be that all guys > > who in date got their CCIE number earlier than Stuart Biggs got an > > honorary CCIE number once the CCIE program got officially started. I > > don't know if they went through an exam, but I can ask Rene v/d Hauw > > (CCIE #1084) as I know him personally. To me, and to the list, the > > number counts, not the date. > > The > > same applies to people who get their CCIE number after a reread. > > They have > > an earlier date in comparison to the number, but the number is what > > counts. > > > > Regarding the CCDE, they did it a bit smarter, as the honorary CCDEs > > before Ryan Hicks do have earlier numbers as well, so this makes > sense > > and keeps it clear. See here > > <http://cciehof.weebly.com/ccde-hall-of-fame.html> > > for the > > list so far (as I know). > > > > All in all, it doesn't matter at all, not even the number, because > > what counts is if you can actually configure/troubleshoot those darn > > routers and switches, keeping it all up and running, keeping the > > customer happy, and maintaining business. Without business, without > > customers, there is no need for routers and switches and thus no > CCIE > > either. > > > > :-) > > > > Marc > > > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 03:14, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> > > wrote: > > > >> He received the award from John Chambers and received the medail a > >> few weeks/months later. It was a long time ago and he doesn't > >> remember very well. But he thinks the dinner with John Chambers was > >> in January (Networkers '93 Paris). > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com] > >> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 1:39 > >> To: Antonio Soares; 'mark jackson' > >> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >> > >> Antonio, > >> > >> Did Pedro retake the CCIE or was he awarded the number in > hindsight? > >> > >> -ryan > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On > Behalf > >> Of Antonio Soares > >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:28 PM > >> To: 'mark jackson' > >> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >> > >> I was just showing the facts, nothing else. And just because > someone > >> asked me so. > >> > >> Did you pay attention to the little logo in the award ? > >> > >> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG > >> > >> The true is that the CCIE story we all know is not exactly like > that. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com] > >> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 0:17 > >> To: Antonio Soares > >> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> > >> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >> > >> Dude, excuse the harsh tone but it is clear as vodka to all of us > >> that the number shows the actual certification. > >> When Pedro got his 'award' it wasn't an actual certification > program. > >> That is why he got a later number. > >> My bigger question is why your feathers are all ruffled over this > guy > >> Pedro??? Why isn't he out thumping his cause if he feels he > deserves > >> it? The history has been laid out, the numbers assigned and the > jello > >> is giggling and the butters is in the fridge. > >> Put simply, take it offline and let's get back to the core reason > we > >> (the people who have achived our digits) are here...to help the up > >> and coming achive. Not bark and bicker about 1993. > >> Again, sorry to be blunt. > >> > >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> Please excuse spelling errors > >> > >> On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:09 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> 1178 is after 1025 but January is before July :) > >>> > >>> CCIE #1025 - STUART BIGGS: Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE > >>> #1178 - > >>> PEDRO REY: Certification Date 21-Jan-1993 > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com] > >>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 23:58 > >>> To: Antonio Soares > >>> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>> > >>> I guess I am still lost as to how Pedro is before Stuart??? > >>> Stuart's # > >>> is 1025 and Pedro's is 1178. 1178 is after 1025. Unless I am off > my > >>> rocker, this isn't rocket-science. > >>> Regardless of date, the numbers are plan to see. > >>> > >>> > >>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736 > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> Please excuse spelling errors > >>> > >>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:19 PM, "Antonio Soares" > <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ok, i have it. There were about 30 engineers in Europe that took > >>>> the program and received this award: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG > >>>> > >>>> They received this from John Chambers in person in a dinner in > >>>> Networks '93 (Paris, France). > >>>> > >>>> Then they reveived the medail: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Medail.JPG > >>>> > >>>> These were the first CCIE's. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On > >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale > >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:47 > >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> Yeah...I see the June/July people. Your friend is 6 months > before > >>>> that. > >>>> That doesn't make sense. Especially since this is the very first > >>>> time I've ever heard of this. > >>>> > >>>> Let's get Pedro to verify his plaque and documentation from Cisco > >>>> to see if they made an error. Or, produce names of people that > >>>> took the class with him. Since you have access to that, you can > >>>> focus there. > >>>> I'm sure other people on this list will work on finding dates > >>>> earlier than June/July. > >>>> > >>>> tv > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt] > >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:35 PM > >>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> More examples: > >>>> > >>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification > >>>> Status Certification Date DAVIDE BIANCHINI CCIE 1095 Routing > and > >>>> Switching Re-certified 04-Jun-1993 > >>>> > >>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification > >>>> Status Certification Date RENE VAN DER HAUW CCIE 1184 Routing > and > >>>> Switching Inactive 08-Jul-1993 > >>>> > >>>> Based only on Mark's list: > >>>> > >>>> http://cciehof.weebly.com/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On > >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale > >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:11 > >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, those are the facts. > >>>> > >>>> What you have stated previously is not. > >>>> > >>>> As a side note, the CCIEs just previous and just after your > friend > >>>> Pedro are all in July of 1993. Think they made a mistake and put > >>>> Jan instead of Jul? > >>>> I can't find anyone with a date previous to July. > >>>> > >>>> Since you work with him, did you see his plaque? Would it be too > >>>> much to verify the date on it? Or, any names of people that went > >>>> through the program in Jan with him so we can verify their > numbers > >>>> and dates? > >>>> > >>>> tv > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On > >>>> Behalf Of Antonio Soares > >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:35 PM > >>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> Facts: > >>>> > >>>> CCIE Program Announcement: Sept. 27, 1993 CCIE #1025 - STUART > >>>> BIGGS: > >>>> Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE #1178 - PEDRO REY: > >>>> Certification Date 21-Jan-1993 > >>>> > >>>> Read as you want. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On > >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale > >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 20:08 > >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> You can disagree all you want. There was no official CCIE > program > >>>> in January of 1993. The history of the program has been hashed > out > >>>> and is fairly well known. The lab and Terry are the beginning of > >>>> the official program. That is recognized by Cisco. > >>>> > >>>> You sent a link that stated the CCIE program was official in > August > >>>> of > >>>> 1993 (which I think some of us knew already). That proves my > >>>> point, not yours. > >>>> > >>>> Actually, your point is that you want your friend to be a CCIE > >>>> before there was a CCIE program. That's great for you but it > >>>> doesn't make it true. It is also reflected in his number. > >>>> > >>>> Congrats on your friend being in an early phase of what (may) > >>>> became the program but don't misrepresent what you think may have > >>>> happened. > >>>> > >>>> They weren't the first CCIEs. They may have been some of the > first > >>>> in a program that may have been a precursor to the CCIE program. > >>>> > >>>> tv > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt] > >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:51 PM > >>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> I must disagree. They completed the program as the others: > >>>> > >>>> http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/1993/corp_092793.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On > >>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale > >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 19:32 > >>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> They aren't as they obviously did not take the lab exam in the > >>>> official CCIE program. > >>>> > >>>> The people who took the official and recognized lab first are the > >>>> first CCIEs in the world. > >>>> > >>>> tv > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On > >>>> Behalf Of Antonio Soares > >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:33 PM > >>>> To: 'Marc La Porte' > >>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com > >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. > >>>> > >>>> Hello Mark, > >>>> > >>>> Please add my colleague Pedro Rey to your list: > >>>> > >>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track > >>>> Certification Status Certification Date > >>>> PEDRO REY CCIE 1178 > >>>> Routing and Switching Suspended 21-Jan-1993 > >>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>> > >>>> You can see that Pedro is an older CCIE than STUART BIGGS, > TERRANCE > >>>> SLATTERY and many more that have a lower CCIE Number. > >>>> > >>>> I was talking with Pedro about this and it seems in Europe some > >>>> Engineers were awarded with the Cisco TAC Engineer > Certification or > >>>> something similar. The CCIE word came later so these guys got > their > >>>> certification renamed CCIE. Of course, their got higher numbers > but > >>>> they got their Certification first. > >>>> > >>>> So these are actually the first CCIE's in the World. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S) > >>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> _ > >> > >> > >>>> _ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Subscription information may be found at: > >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> _ > >> > >> > >>>> _ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Subscription information may be found at: > >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> _ > >> > >> > >>>> _ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Subscription information may be found at: > >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> _ > >> > >> > >>>> _ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Subscription information may be found at: > >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> _ > >> > >> > >>>> _ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Subscription information may be found at: > >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> _ > >> > >> > >>>> _ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Subscription information may be found at: > >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> _ > >> > >> > >>>> _ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Subscription information may be found at: > >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________________ > >> __ Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________________ > >> __ Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.netReceived on Wed Oct 28 2009 - 13:03:53 ART
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