Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)

May 5th was the date of the announcement from Cisco for the lab changes.

Additionally as some have mentioned in this thread and other threads about
the CCNP course we will be offering I'm not actually writing a CCNP
course. I'm just teaching a few of the topics as Brian McGahan is the
primary instructor and developer of the material.

Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasser Abraham" <nasser.abraham_at_gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, July 14, 2009 16:16
Subject:Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)

I will wait for the upgrade path mentioned in this blog post
http://blog.ine.com/2009/07/13/ines-new-ccie-rs-volume-iv/ to be released
before forming an my final opinion. However so far I think the quoted price
for the WB volume 4 is reasonable, especially taking into consideration the
price I have paid for the End-to-End program and the degree of change of the
blueprint.

Just one question though, what is the significance of May 5th? Why was this
date chosen to determine who receives a free update?

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>wrote:

> 1. The Core Knowledge Simulation for R/S has always been a component
> of the CCIE 2.0 program. It was free for 2.0 customers since its
> inception, and part of the Investment Protection program for that
> bundle. This is because the Core Knowledge section became a part of
> the 3.X lab exam format.
>
> 2. For customers that purchased the CCIE 2.0 program since the
> blueprint change announcement (May 5, 2009), the Volume IV workbook is
> also an included component. For previous CCIE 2.0 customers, they can
> purchase the WB at a very modest upgrade price. For details, see the
> latest post by Brian Dennis on our blog site.
>
> Thanks again to everyone that provided feedback about this exciting
> new workbook, and thanks to all that choose to make INE a part of your
> Cisco Certification prep.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> http://www.INE.com
>
> Test your Core Knowledge today!
> Q: What PIM feature prevents PIM Dense-Mode trees from timing out and
> reverting to flooding behavior?
> A: state-refresh
> More Info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>
> > Understood and personally I've been paying to continue to play the
> > game just like this for a while now. No problem.
> >
> > But for the previous customers - I think the name E2E, really isn't
> > always going to be E2E anymore.
> >
> > Granted this is new water all over again and like I said I
> > understand the business impact.
> >
> > I think maybe End-to-End died, when Keegan made his point and it was
> > voiced by others as well, despite the policy being clear on the
> > matter (I had to look it up before I presented it to be sure).
> >
> > People get excited when they pluck down several thousands of dollars
> > sometimes and don't always read everything.
> >
> > End-to-End - Kinds sounds like "Soup to Nuts" and a few other
> > product lines.
> >
> > For those not willing to pay the price for the token upgrade they no
> > longer have an End-to-End program for the CCIE any longer.
> >
> >
> > So now it is End-to-55% for the existing students (I'm counting the
> > OEQ product in the final tally of points - points are based on Steve
> > Barnes - CCIE Lab Content Engineer). Lots of good stuff but not
> > quite everything you need to get over the top.
> >
> > Arguably some aspects of troubleshooting are already built into the
> > CCIE Volumes I-III.
> >
> > What else could possibly be needed.
> >
> >
> > And Cisco Press pesented a nice book for CCIE Troubleshooting
> > already that was pretty decent for Routing Protools.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> > The Vol4 represents an entirely new path and mechanism to present
> > information.
> >
> > Vol 1, in particular (or when you do labs in Vols 2 &amp; 3) also offer
> > troubleshooting tips/tasks as well, but the focus is different.
> > Vol4 is
> > an entirely new thing.
> >
> > If you have purchased the end-to-end product line within the last
> > couple
> > months (talk to sales for specifics as I'm not one of them) it is
> > free.
> > (I believe it's the "purchased after v4 was announced") If you
> > purchased previously, however, the expectation of all the nuts and
> > bolts
> > included did not require full-blown troubleshooting.
> >
> > Either way, it's a significant discount to current owners for
> > upgrading. At which point, all updates to it will be free.
> >
> > However, if the CCIE lab changes 12 years from now to include
> > methods on
> > how to split an atom and do nano-level routing, you can rest assured
> > that we will still be around to create a workbook for that, and it
> > WILL
> > come at an additional cost.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > swm_at_emanon.com
> >
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> >
> >
> > Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com wrote:
> > > As one of those turned down I can't disagree more. The first
> > three books
> > > covered the lab in the state it was when they were written and
> > investment
> > > protection covers them. AFAIK the Vol IV labs are to represent the
> > > troubleshooting sections that are going to be in the next edition
> > of the
> > > lab making the other three books insufficient by themselves. Vol IV
> > > should only be considered a new product if you guys wanted to
> > teach us
> > > troubleshooting as a separate topic which is clearly not the
> > case. I know
> > > you guys need to make money... According to Darby you'll all be
> > > panhandling soon, but this seems a little underhanded to me. I'm
> > sure you
> > > guys have been developing this for some time so it would have been
> > nice to
> > > include Vol IV for the folks who bought the labs recently and have
> > no
> > > chance of taking the lab without the troubleshooting sections.
> > Anything
> > > else seems a bit like extortion.
> > >
> > > Jm2c,
> > >
> > > Keegan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:
> > > Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > > To:
> > > ospfv2 <ospfv2_at_gmail.com>
> > > Cc:
> > > Cisco certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > Date:
> > > 07/13/2009 02:03 PM
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
> > > Sent by:
> > > nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Investment Protection refers to receiving free updates for a product
> > > you purchase and free class updates - we will continue to do that
> > for
> > > all of our products.
> > >
> > > For new products we create, we will always (at the least) offer
> > deep,
> > > deep discounts for our 2.0 customers.
> > >
> > > For example, when we released the CCIE R/S Written Bootcamp it was
> > > offered in a Self-Paced version at $795 to the "public" and $399 for
> > > 2.0 customers!
> > >
> > > Please stay tuned for an official announcement about this new R/S
> > > product and the 2.0 program.
> > >
> > > Warmest Regards,
> > >
> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > http://www.INE.com
> > >
> > > Test your Core Knowledge today!
> > > Q: What is the key protocol used to implement Anycast RP?
> > > A: Multicast Source Discovery Protocol
> > > More Info:
> > >
> http://supportwiki.cisco.com/ViewWiki/index.php/How_to_configure_IP_multicast_using_MSDP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:43 PM, ospfv2 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Some of you migth already contact INE regarding R/S WB Vol IV
> > >> troubleshooting, whether it is covered by "investment protection"
> > or
> > >> not.
> > >>
> > >> and the answer provided by sales team might turn you down.
> > >>
> > >> it's not covered, vol IV its a new brand product.
> > >>
> > >> i just feel like a dumb now
> > >>
> > >> maybe nextime i need a lawyer to help me understand the promotion
> > hype
> > >> before i buy, so i won't get fooled again
> > >>
> > >> cheers
> > >>
> > >>
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