Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)

That is the date that Cisco announced Version 4 of the CCIE R/S Lab
and Written exams - at least, that is what Sales told us.

:-)

Warmest Regards,

Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
http://www.INE.com

On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Nasser Abraham wrote:

> I will wait for the upgrade path mentioned in this blog post http://blog.ine.com/2009/07/13/ines-new-ccie-rs-volume-iv/
> to be released before forming an my final opinion. However so far I
> think the quoted price for the WB volume 4 is reasonable, especially
> taking into consideration the price I have paid for the End-to-End
> program and the degree of change of the blueprint.
>
> Just one question though, what is the significance of May 5th? Why
> was this date chosen to determine who receives a free update?
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Anthony Sequeira
> <asequeira_at_ine.com> wrote:
> 1. The Core Knowledge Simulation for R/S has always been a component
> of the CCIE 2.0 program. It was free for 2.0 customers since its
> inception, and part of the Investment Protection program for that
> bundle. This is because the Core Knowledge section became a part of
> the 3.X lab exam format.
>
> 2. For customers that purchased the CCIE 2.0 program since the
> blueprint change announcement (May 5, 2009), the Volume IV workbook is
> also an included component. For previous CCIE 2.0 customers, they can
> purchase the WB at a very modest upgrade price. For details, see the
> latest post by Brian Dennis on our blog site.
>
> Thanks again to everyone that provided feedback about this exciting
> new workbook, and thanks to all that choose to make INE a part of your
> Cisco Certification prep.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> http://www.INE.com
>
> Test your Core Knowledge today!
> Q: What PIM feature prevents PIM Dense-Mode trees from timing out and
> reverting to flooding behavior?
> A: state-refresh
> More Info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>
> > Understood and personally I've been paying to continue to play the
> > game just like this for a while now. No problem.
> >
> > But for the previous customers - I think the name E2E, really isn't
> > always going to be E2E anymore.
> >
> > Granted this is new water all over again and like I said I
> > understand the business impact.
> >
> > I think maybe End-to-End died, when Keegan made his point and it was
> > voiced by others as well, despite the policy being clear on the
> > matter (I had to look it up before I presented it to be sure).
> >
> > People get excited when they pluck down several thousands of dollars
> > sometimes and don't always read everything.
> >
> > End-to-End - Kinds sounds like "Soup to Nuts" and a few other
> > product lines.
> >
> > For those not willing to pay the price for the token upgrade they no
> > longer have an End-to-End program for the CCIE any longer.
> >
> >
> > So now it is End-to-55% for the existing students (I'm counting the
> > OEQ product in the final tally of points - points are based on Steve
> > Barnes - CCIE Lab Content Engineer). Lots of good stuff but not
> > quite everything you need to get over the top.
> >
> > Arguably some aspects of troubleshooting are already built into the
> > CCIE Volumes I-III.
> >
> > What else could possibly be needed.
> >
> >
> > And Cisco Press pesented a nice book for CCIE Troubleshooting
> > already that was pretty decent for Routing Protools.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com>
> wrote:
> > The Vol4 represents an entirely new path and mechanism to present
> > information.
> >
> > Vol 1, in particular (or when you do labs in Vols 2 & 3) also offer
> > troubleshooting tips/tasks as well, but the focus is different.
> > Vol4 is
> > an entirely new thing.
> >
> > If you have purchased the end-to-end product line within the last
> > couple
> > months (talk to sales for specifics as I'm not one of them) it is
> > free.
> > (I believe it's the "purchased after v4 was announced") If you
> > purchased previously, however, the expectation of all the nuts and
> > bolts
> > included did not require full-blown troubleshooting.
> >
> > Either way, it's a significant discount to current owners for
> > upgrading. At which point, all updates to it will be free.
> >
> > However, if the CCIE lab changes 12 years from now to include
> > methods on
> > how to split an atom and do nano-level routing, you can rest assured
> > that we will still be around to create a workbook for that, and it
> > WILL
> > come at an additional cost.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > swm_at_emanon.com
> >
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> >
> >
> > Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com wrote:
> > > As one of those turned down I can't disagree more. The first
> > three books
> > > covered the lab in the state it was when they were written and
> > investment
> > > protection covers them. AFAIK the Vol IV labs are to represent
> the
> > > troubleshooting sections that are going to be in the next edition
> > of the
> > > lab making the other three books insufficient by themselves.
> Vol IV
> > > should only be considered a new product if you guys wanted to
> > teach us
> > > troubleshooting as a separate topic which is clearly not the
> > case. I know
> > > you guys need to make money... According to Darby you'll all be
> > > panhandling soon, but this seems a little underhanded to me. I'm
> > sure you
> > > guys have been developing this for some time so it would have been
> > nice to
> > > include Vol IV for the folks who bought the labs recently and have
> > no
> > > chance of taking the lab without the troubleshooting sections.
> > Anything
> > > else seems a bit like extortion.
> > >
> > > Jm2c,
> > >
> > > Keegan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:
> > > Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > > To:
> > > ospfv2 <ospfv2_at_gmail.com>
> > > Cc:
> > > Cisco certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > Date:
> > > 07/13/2009 02:03 PM
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
> > > Sent by:
> > > nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Investment Protection refers to receiving free updates for a
> product
> > > you purchase and free class updates - we will continue to do that
> > for
> > > all of our products.
> > >
> > > For new products we create, we will always (at the least) offer
> > deep,
> > > deep discounts for our 2.0 customers.
> > >
> > > For example, when we released the CCIE R/S Written Bootcamp it was
> > > offered in a Self-Paced version at $795 to the "public" and $399
> for
> > > 2.0 customers!
> > >
> > > Please stay tuned for an official announcement about this new R/S
> > > product and the 2.0 program.
> > >
> > > Warmest Regards,
> > >
> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > http://www.INE.com
> > >
> > > Test your Core Knowledge today!
> > > Q: What is the key protocol used to implement Anycast RP?
> > > A: Multicast Source Discovery Protocol
> > > More Info:
> > > http://supportwiki.cisco.com/ViewWiki/index.php/How_to_configure_IP_multicast_using_MSDP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:43 PM, ospfv2 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Some of you migth already contact INE regarding R/S WB Vol IV
> > >> troubleshooting, whether it is covered by "investment protection"
> > or
> > >> not.
> > >>
> > >> and the answer provided by sales team might turn you down.
> > >>
> > >> it's not covered, vol IV its a new brand product.
> > >>
> > >> i just feel like a dumb now
> > >>
> > >> maybe nextime i need a lawyer to help me understand the promotion
> > hype
> > >> before i buy, so i won't get fooled again
> > >>
> > >> cheers
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
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