Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)

Hi All,

In my opinion:

Bargain price to pay for the NEW V4 Troubleshooting workbook for existing
CCIE 2.0 customers. $99, sweet.

It took me a total of 30 secs to read it and decide it was more then fair -
to be honest I was expecting double the cost and would have been happy with
that too. I've had a quick look through it, and as we've come to expect from
INE - looks quality.

The only potential criticism I would have of INE is how they marketed this -
if they had called it something other then a workbook to make it more
obvious it is a new product, (maybe a "troubleshooting toolbox" :) ) I think
more people would have understood.

On an unrelated note:
It would be sweet if someone could get back to me about getting the Dynamips
workbook changed/upgraded/whatever to the regular workbook Vol2 - im trying
to give you guys some $$, please let me!

Martin

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Brian Dennis <
bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:

> May 5th was the date of the announcement from Cisco for the lab changes.
>
> Additionally as some have mentioned in this thread and other threads about
> the CCNP course we will be offering I'm not actually writing a CCNP
> course. I'm just teaching a few of the topics as Brian McGahan is the
> primary instructor and developer of the material.
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_internetworkexpert.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nasser Abraham" <nasser.abraham_at_gmail.com>
> Sent: Tue, July 14, 2009 16:16
> Subject:Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
>
>
> I will wait for the upgrade path mentioned in this blog post
> http://blog.ine.com/2009/07/13/ines-new-ccie-rs-volume-iv/ to be released
> before forming an my final opinion. However so far I think the quoted price
> for the WB volume 4 is reasonable, especially taking into consideration the
> price I have paid for the End-to-End program and the degree of change of
> the
> blueprint.
>
> Just one question though, what is the significance of May 5th? Why was this
> date chosen to determine who receives a free update?
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com
> >wrote:
>
> > 1. The Core Knowledge Simulation for R/S has always been a component
> > of the CCIE 2.0 program. It was free for 2.0 customers since its
> > inception, and part of the Investment Protection program for that
> > bundle. This is because the Core Knowledge section became a part of
> > the 3.X lab exam format.
> >
> > 2. For customers that purchased the CCIE 2.0 program since the
> > blueprint change announcement (May 5, 2009), the Volume IV workbook is
> > also an included component. For previous CCIE 2.0 customers, they can
> > purchase the WB at a very modest upgrade price. For details, see the
> > latest post by Brian Dennis on our blog site.
> >
> > Thanks again to everyone that provided feedback about this exciting
> > new workbook, and thanks to all that choose to make INE a part of your
> > Cisco Certification prep.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> >
> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
> >
> > Test your Core Knowledge today!
> > Q: What PIM feature prevents PIM Dense-Mode trees from timing out and
> > reverting to flooding behavior?
> > A: state-refresh
> > More Info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
> >
> >
> > On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Darby Weaver wrote:
> >
> > > Understood and personally I've been paying to continue to play the
> > > game just like this for a while now. No problem.
> > >
> > > But for the previous customers - I think the name E2E, really isn't
> > > always going to be E2E anymore.
> > >
> > > Granted this is new water all over again and like I said I
> > > understand the business impact.
> > >
> > > I think maybe End-to-End died, when Keegan made his point and it was
> > > voiced by others as well, despite the policy being clear on the
> > > matter (I had to look it up before I presented it to be sure).
> > >
> > > People get excited when they pluck down several thousands of dollars
> > > sometimes and don't always read everything.
> > >
> > > End-to-End - Kinds sounds like "Soup to Nuts" and a few other
> > > product lines.
> > >
> > > For those not willing to pay the price for the token upgrade they no
> > > longer have an End-to-End program for the CCIE any longer.
> > >
> > >
> > > So now it is End-to-55% for the existing students (I'm counting the
> > > OEQ product in the final tally of points - points are based on Steve
> > > Barnes - CCIE Lab Content Engineer). Lots of good stuff but not
> > > quite everything you need to get over the top.
> > >
> > > Arguably some aspects of troubleshooting are already built into the
> > > CCIE Volumes I-III.
> > >
> > > What else could possibly be needed.
> > >
> > >
> > > And Cisco Press pesented a nice book for CCIE Troubleshooting
> > > already that was pretty decent for Routing Protools.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> > > The Vol4 represents an entirely new path and mechanism to present
> > > information.
> > >
> > > Vol 1, in particular (or when you do labs in Vols 2 &amp; 3) also offer
> > > troubleshooting tips/tasks as well, but the focus is different.
> > > Vol4 is
> > > an entirely new thing.
> > >
> > > If you have purchased the end-to-end product line within the last
> > > couple
> > > months (talk to sales for specifics as I'm not one of them) it is
> > > free.
> > > (I believe it's the "purchased after v4 was announced") If you
> > > purchased previously, however, the expectation of all the nuts and
> > > bolts
> > > included did not require full-blown troubleshooting.
> > >
> > > Either way, it's a significant discount to current owners for
> > > upgrading. At which point, all updates to it will be free.
> > >
> > > However, if the CCIE lab changes 12 years from now to include
> > > methods on
> > > how to split an atom and do nano-level routing, you can rest assured
> > > that we will still be around to create a workbook for that, and it
> > > WILL
> > > come at an additional cost.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > > #4713,
> > >
> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > >
> > > CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >
> > > swm_at_emanon.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > Power corrupts.
> > >
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com wrote:
> > > > As one of those turned down I can't disagree more. The first
> > > three books
> > > > covered the lab in the state it was when they were written and
> > > investment
> > > > protection covers them. AFAIK the Vol IV labs are to represent the
> > > > troubleshooting sections that are going to be in the next edition
> > > of the
> > > > lab making the other three books insufficient by themselves. Vol IV
> > > > should only be considered a new product if you guys wanted to
> > > teach us
> > > > troubleshooting as a separate topic which is clearly not the
> > > case. I know
> > > > you guys need to make money... According to Darby you'll all be
> > > > panhandling soon, but this seems a little underhanded to me. I'm
> > > sure you
> > > > guys have been developing this for some time so it would have been
> > > nice to
> > > > include Vol IV for the folks who bought the labs recently and have
> > > no
> > > > chance of taking the lab without the troubleshooting sections.
> > > Anything
> > > > else seems a bit like extortion.
> > > >
> > > > Jm2c,
> > > >
> > > > Keegan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From:
> > > > Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > ospfv2 <ospfv2_at_gmail.com>
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Cisco certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > > Date:
> > > > 07/13/2009 02:03 PM
> > > > Subject:
> > > > Re: IEWB R/S Vol IV (troubleshooting)
> > > > Sent by:
> > > > nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Investment Protection refers to receiving free updates for a product
> > > > you purchase and free class updates - we will continue to do that
> > > for
> > > > all of our products.
> > > >
> > > > For new products we create, we will always (at the least) offer
> > > deep,
> > > > deep discounts for our 2.0 customers.
> > > >
> > > > For example, when we released the CCIE R/S Written Bootcamp it was
> > > > offered in a Self-Paced version at $795 to the "public" and $399 for
> > > > 2.0 customers!
> > > >
> > > > Please stay tuned for an official announcement about this new R/S
> > > > product and the 2.0 program.
> > > >
> > > > Warmest Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
> > > >
> > > > Test your Core Knowledge today!
> > > > Q: What is the key protocol used to implement Anycast RP?
> > > > A: Multicast Source Discovery Protocol
> > > > More Info:
> > > >
> >
> http://supportwiki.cisco.com/ViewWiki/index.php/How_to_configure_IP_multicast_using_MSDP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:43 PM, ospfv2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Some of you migth already contact INE regarding R/S WB Vol IV
> > > >> troubleshooting, whether it is covered by "investment protection"
> > > or
> > > >> not.
> > > >>
> > > >> and the answer provided by sales team might turn you down.
> > > >>
> > > >> it's not covered, vol IV its a new brand product.
> > > >>
> > > >> i just feel like a dumb now
> > > >>
> > > >> maybe nextime i need a lawyer to help me understand the promotion
> > > hype
> > > >> before i buy, so i won't get fooled again
> > > >>
> > > >> cheers
> > > >>
> > > >>
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