Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

He is alive and well. Just busy with work.
I had an email exchange with him last week.

Larry Hadrava
CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> has anyone seen Darby lately?
>
> I haven't seen his posts for a while!
>
> -frog
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > haha..........Darby! comon put your comments here..
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:08 AM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I did it to spin him up. He'd of replied already but he's typing a long
> >> response....
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Shaughn Smith <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>
> >>
> >> To: "'Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com'" <Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com
> >,
> >> 'Grant Stevenson' <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
> >>
> >> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'
> >> nobody_at_groupstudy.com'" <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>,
> >> "'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>,
> 'Ryan
> >> West' <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> >>
> >> Date: 06/05/2009 10:07 AM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> " Now, there are other forums....."
> >>
> >> Oh oh, now you have done it. Darby is on they way ;)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com [mailto:Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:04 PM
> >> To: Grant Stevenson
> >> Cc: Cisco certification; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
> ;
> >> Ryan West; Shaughn Smith
> >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >> But he has a point. Aren't most of us closer to sociopaths than the
> norm?
> >> Or is that just during studies prior to the lab?
> >>
> >> Seriously though, I've been watching this forum a lot and I dig thru the
> >> archive a lot and I rarely see things that make me question if someone
> is
> >> pushing the envelope and I'm not even certified (yet). Usually it's "why
> >> does X make Y do this?" or "On vendor X lab 453 section 22.4 bullet 58
> why
> >> does the tunnel cause recursive routing for my lonely RIPv2 subnet?" So
> I
> >> think most folks generally see the line and understand not to cross it.
> >> Now, there are other forums.....
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "Grant Stevenson" <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> To: "Shaughn Smith" <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>, "Ryan
> >> West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>,
> >> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: 06/05/2009 09:41 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cisco are not stupid, they want people to actively pursue the
> >> certification trail. It is one of their better money spinners.
> >>
> >> Saying that, they have introduced Forensic Analyses in the written
> >> exams, so who is to say they do not monitor these forums?
> >>
> >> GS is about learning to master a topic, not to cheat your way to CCIE,
> >> if it was the latter Cisco would have closed this forum down a long time
> >> ago.
> >>
> >> Some times people do get close to the mark when discussing a topic, but
> >> so long as the discussion is not a direct take from an exam, I do not
> >> believe there is much Cisco can do about it.
> >>
> >> So when asking questions, you are not really trying to find out what is
> >> in the lab, you are trying to master a skill that you do not fully
> >> understand. Do not mistake the two.
> >>
> >> Please remember if you break the NDA, you will either get a one-year or
> >> possibly a life-time testing ban.
> >>
> >> Either one of those could finish your career in networking.
> >>
> >> Regards Grant
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Shaughn Smith
> >> Sent: 05 June 2009 15:19
> >> To: 'Ryan West'; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
> >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >> Good point. I suppose everyone's moral compass is a bit different.
> >>
> >> I do know of people that have been contacted. Don't know results of the
> >> enquiries though.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:15 PM
> >> To: Shaughn Smith; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
> >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >> The point is, not everyone lives by the same moral code. What is
> >> completely acceptable by a sociopath is not acceptable by the norm.
> >>
> >> I'm still curious if anyone has either been contacted by Cisco about
> >> this or known someone who has.
> >>
> >> -ryan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Shaughn Smith [mailto:Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za]
> >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:44 AM
> >> To: 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; Ryan West; 'Cisco certification'
> >> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >> You should have a gut feeling as to what is allowed and what isnt.
> >>
> >>
> >> CCIE#23962
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
> >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:33 PM
> >> To: Ryan West; Cisco certification
> >> Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >> I think this is one of those questions that can be answered by-
> >>
> >> "If you have to think about it, then you shouldn't do it."
> >>
> >> I don't see how there can be any grey areas on this. Don't reveal
> >> anything about the contents of the exam. If you were the recipient of
> >> questionable info, don't pass it on. Do the right thing here.
> >>
> >> If it's public knowledge(blueprint), then no issues.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> >>
> >> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:30:56
> >> To: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
> >>
> >>
> >> If you were to look through the archives, it's fairly easy to come up an
> >> accurate picture of what to expect from the lab. Vendors and test
> >> takers alike post information; such as test taking strategies and trends
> >> in labs (having more IGP / Frame-Relay complete). I don't see people on
> >> this list ever post exact examples of what their labs were like, but I
> >> wanted to raise the question of what is considered acceptable. Has
> >> anyone been contacted by Cisco and asked to stop being liberal with
> >> information or had a more stringent penalty applied to them?
> >>
> >> I know the easy way out is to provide responses like, "If you study the
> >> right way, you'll be fine." However, I was provided with helpful
> >> information from those who had been through the process and I don't mind
> >> giving back. Could you guys give some feedback of where you think the
> >> line is and what might be considered gray?
> >>
> >> -ryan
> >>
> >>
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