Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market

you are true but THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN MOST OF THE CASES as a SECURITY
ENGINEER I came across to the BOQ regarding NAC profiler in which the NAC
profiler devices are being sold the customer (Cisco was invlove there : ) )
without Cisco Collector license : (
Cisco Dynamcic configuration tool did not show it, Cisco order placing
process did not catch it either (they are very catchy if you forget any
SMARTNET )

So bottom line yes you are correct only in very few implmentation cases
where you stuck and get some learning via TAC but if you are taking about
complete NETWORK Architect kind a job then even 5 and 7 years is nothing
CCIE is is kid in that sense

I am not undervaluing CCIE here

Thanks

2009/6/15 Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>

> Dudes! Come on lets face the reality:
>
> <I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
> of the _learning process_ for CCIP.?>
>
> Get the CCIE first - striaght without wasting time on **NP's. Worry about
> the learning process later.
>
> Why I am saying this?
>
> I have seen many double/tripple CCIE when they stuck at work or on a
> customer call they call **TAC***.
> So just get the Cert and get start filling your pocket with $$$$ (If you
> can
> face the interview of course).
>
> They also learn when they open a case with TAC :)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> > We are actually seeing an increase in the amount of folks who want CCIP
> > certification and CCIP topic type training. Although the recent
> > announcement of MPLS to the R&S lab exam might be helping that as well.
> > Typically in the past, we've seen CCVP and CCNP as the two "hot ones"
> > with CCSP trailing, and then CCIP lagging extremely far behind. Very
> > similar to the demand for CCIE SP versus the other tracks. CCIP is a
> > good stepping stone towards CCIE SP.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gary Duncanson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:30 PM
> > To: Dale Shaw
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> >
> > Agree with that. I have noticed more contracts are looking for MPLS
> > skills
> > this side of the pond so if anyone is short on exposure the CCIP should
> > offer a good introduction.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Shaw" <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> > To: "kevin dalby" <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; "Akber Ali Mirza"
> > <akberali.cisco_at_gmail.com>; "CCIE Lab" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> >
> >
> > >I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
> > > of the _learning process_ for CCIP.
> > >
> > > If you do it right, it's a good structured way to learn about a
> > > technology you're not familiar with. Get your hands on the courseware
> > > (PEC), pick up a couple of relevant books, and go for it. Having the
> > > exam there will give you some focus and force you through the content.
> > >
> > > You'll walk out of the exam grumbling about Cisco's vaguely worded
> > > questions but you'll be better for it. Having an extra CC*P certainly
> > > won't hurt.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, kevin dalby <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> That's my thought as well. Really CC*P's are a dime a dozen. I
> > didn't
> > >> even
> > >> get a raise when I got mine.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Radioactive Frog
> > >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> if you have the bandwidth - go for CCIE (*RS*). Don't waste your
> > time on
> > >>> doing CC*P.
> > >>> MPLS is covered in R&S these days!
> > >>>
> > >>> frog
> > >
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