Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market

The reality?
I'm not sure what world you live and work in? In the "real" world, if you
are going to go into a client site with those letters and numbers after your
name on the business card, you'd better be ready to perform!!!

While learning on the job is great to build foundational knowledge ( like
the NP level of knowledge ), you MUST be able to perform at a level above
the professional level ( and quite frankly are expected to ).

I'm not sure of the IE's that you've worked with, but when I open a TAC case
( yes we all do that ), I do not do it for simple troubleshooting or
configuration issues. When I open a TAC case, I've exhausted all of my
resources.

When I open the case I provide a full detailed scenario of what is going on,
the implementation that is being made or changed, configs, debugs and a
detailed list of the troubleshooting steps that I have performed BEFORE
calling TAC.

If you are seriously saying that it is good to do what you have to do to
pass the lab and at that point start learning, I personally think that is
not doing justice to yourself or the companies that hire you to do a job.

Thanks
Larry Hadrava
CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Dudes! Come on lets face the reality:
>
> <I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
> of the _learning process_ for CCIP.?>
>
> Get the CCIE first - striaght without wasting time on **NP's. Worry about
> the learning process later.
>
> Why I am saying this?
>
> I have seen many double/tripple CCIE when they stuck at work or on a
> customer call they call **TAC***.
> So just get the Cert and get start filling your pocket with $$$$ (If you
> can
> face the interview of course).
>
> They also learn when they open a case with TAC :)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> > We are actually seeing an increase in the amount of folks who want CCIP
> > certification and CCIP topic type training. Although the recent
> > announcement of MPLS to the R&S lab exam might be helping that as well.
> > Typically in the past, we've seen CCVP and CCNP as the two "hot ones"
> > with CCSP trailing, and then CCIP lagging extremely far behind. Very
> > similar to the demand for CCIE SP versus the other tracks. CCIP is a
> > good stepping stone towards CCIE SP.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gary Duncanson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:30 PM
> > To: Dale Shaw
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> >
> > Agree with that. I have noticed more contracts are looking for MPLS
> > skills
> > this side of the pond so if anyone is short on exposure the CCIP should
> > offer a good introduction.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Shaw" <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> > To: "kevin dalby" <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; "Akber Ali Mirza"
> > <akberali.cisco_at_gmail.com>; "CCIE Lab" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> >
> >
> > >I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
> > > of the _learning process_ for CCIP.
> > >
> > > If you do it right, it's a good structured way to learn about a
> > > technology you're not familiar with. Get your hands on the courseware
> > > (PEC), pick up a couple of relevant books, and go for it. Having the
> > > exam there will give you some focus and force you through the content.
> > >
> > > You'll walk out of the exam grumbling about Cisco's vaguely worded
> > > questions but you'll be better for it. Having an extra CC*P certainly
> > > won't hurt.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, kevin dalby <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> That's my thought as well. Really CC*P's are a dime a dozen. I
> > didn't
> > >> even
> > >> get a raise when I got mine.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Radioactive Frog
> > >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> if you have the bandwidth - go for CCIE (*RS*). Don't waste your
> > time on
> > >>> doing CC*P.
> > >>> MPLS is covered in R&S these days!
> > >>>
> > >>> frog
> > >
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