Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market

Larry I think you did not get the point which is NETWORK ARHITECT type
requirements to be very fare with you the kind of resources available from
Cisco the implmentation and troubleshooting is not big deal (still it is
difficult someitimes I have no doubt on it)
But when you are talking about to do the artitecture of the network then it
really matters to one

I am also not refering to only prepare BOQ from Dynamic configuration tool

Hope this clears

2009/6/15 Larry Hadrava <larryh_at_ipexpert.com>

> The reality?
> I'm not sure what world you live and work in? In the "real" world, if you
> are going to go into a client site with those letters and numbers after
> your
> name on the business card, you'd better be ready to perform!!!
>
> While learning on the job is great to build foundational kowledge ( like
> the NP level of knowledge ), you MUST be able to perform at a level above
> the professional level ( and quite frankly are expected to ).
>
> I'm not sure of the IE's that you've worked with, but when I open a TAC
> case
> ( yes we all do that ), I do not do it for simple troubleshooting or
> configuration issues. When I open a TAC case, I've exhausted all of my
> resources.
>
> When I open the case I provide a full detailed scenario of what is going
> on,
> the implementation that is being made or changed, configs, debugs and a
> detailed list of the troubleshooting steps that I have performed BEFORE
> calling TAC.
>
> If you are seriously saying that it is good to do what you have to do to
> pass the lab and at that point start learning, I personally think that is
> not doing justice to yourself or the companies that hire you to do a job.
>
> Thanks
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dudes! Come on lets face the reality:
> >
> > <I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
> > of the _learning process_ for CCIP.?>
> >
> > Get the CCIE first - striaght without wasting time on **NP's. Worry about
> > the learning process later.
> >
> > Why I am saying this?
> >
> > I have seen many double/tripple CCIE when they stuck at work or on a
> > customer call they call **TAC***.
> > So just get the Cert and get start filling your pocket with $$$$ (If you
> > can
> > face the interview of course).
> >
> > They also learn when they open a case with TAC :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We are actually seeing an increase in the amount of folks who want CCIP
> > > certification and CCIP topic type training. Although the recent
> > > announcement of MPLS to the R&S lab exam might be helping that as well.
> > > Typically in the past, we've seen CCVP and CCNP as the two "hot ones"
> > > with CCSP trailing, and then CCIP lagging extremely far behind. Very
> > > similar to the demand for CCIE SP versus the other tracks. CCIP is a
> > > good stepping stone towards CCIE SP.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Brad Ellis
> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > CCSI# 30482
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Gary Duncanson
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:30 PM
> > > To: Dale Shaw
> > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> > >
> > > Agree with that. I have noticed more contracts are looking for MPLS
> > > skills
> > > this side of the pond so if anyone is short on exposure the CCIP should
> > > offer a good introduction.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dale Shaw" <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> > > To: "kevin dalby" <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> > > Cc: "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; "Akber Ali Mirza"
> > > <akberali.cisco_at_gmail.com>; "CCIE Lab" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:39 AM
> > > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> > >
> > >
> > > >I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
> > > > of the _learning process_ for CCIP.
> > > >
> > > > If you do it right, it's a good structured way to learn about a
> > > > technology you're not familiar with. Get your hands on the courseware
> > > > (PEC), pick up a couple of relevant books, and go for it. Having the
> > > > exam there will give you some focus and force you through the
> content.
> > > >
> > > > You'll walk out of the exam grumbling about Cisco's vaguely worded
> > > > questions but you'll be better for it. Having an extra CC*P certainly
> > > > won't hurt.
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > Dale
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, kevin dalby <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> That's my thought as well. Really CC*P's are a dime a dozen. I
> > > didn't
> > > >> even
> > > >> get a raise when I got mine.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Radioactive Frog
> > > >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> if you have the bandwidth - go for CCIE (*RS*). Don't waste your
> > > time on
> > > >>> doing CC*P.
> > > >>> MPLS is covered in R&S these days!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> frog
> > > >
> > > >
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