Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market

hehe.... You funny Larry, you got so serious :)
Here is the live example: This guy (*21* yo) also does Architect work
(design/implementation)

I already have quite some real world experience with building,
designing and configuring networks. (although never enough of course :-)
I make 60k euros, which is quite good in Holland for a 21yr old :-P
I could get more (around 65-70k) if I switched jobs, but I'm building
up a great experience with large scale projects with the employer I'm
currently at, so let's build up more experience first.

Regards,

Rick Mur
CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / SP)

no offense to anyone **

you see I am not mis-guiding other people. New generation brain is a lot
faster then yours. So get yours upgrade before they get ventilated by these
*SUPER* new brains!!

-frog

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:

> The reality?
> I'm not sure what world you live and work in? In the "real" world, if you
> are going to go into a client site with those letters and numbers after
your
> name on the business card, you'd better be ready to perform!!!
>
> While learning on the job is great to build foundational knowledge ( like
> the NP level of knowledge ), you MUST be able to perform at a level above
> the professional level ( and quite frankly are expected to ).
>
> I'm not sure of the IE's that you've worked with, but when I open a TAC
> case ( yes we all do that ), I do not do it for simple troubleshooting or
> configuration issues. When I open a TAC case, I've exhausted all of my
> resources.
>
> When I open the case I provide a full detailed scenario of what is going
> on, the implementation that is being made or changed, configs, debugs and a
> detailed list of the troubleshooting steps that I have performed BEFORE
> calling TAC.
>
> If you are seriously saying that it is good to do what you have to do to
> pass the lab and at that point start learning, I personally think that is
> not doing justice to yourself or the companies that hire you to do a job.
>
> Thanks
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
> Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Radioactive Frog
<pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dudes! Come on lets face the reality:
>>
>> <I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
>> of the _learning process_ for CCIP.?>
>>
>> Get the CCIE first - striaght without wasting time on **NP's. Worry about
>> the learning process later.
>>
>> Why I am saying this?
>>
>> I have seen many double/tripple CCIE when they stuck at work or on a
>> customer call they call **TAC***.
>> So just get the Cert and get start filling your pocket with $$$$ (If you
>> can
>> face the interview of course).
>>
>> They also learn when they open a case with TAC :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>
>> > We are actually seeing an increase in the amount of folks who want CCIP
>> > certification and CCIP topic type training. Although the recent
>> > announcement of MPLS to the R&S lab exam might be helping that as well.
>> > Typically in the past, we've seen CCVP and CCNP as the two "hot ones"
>> > with CCSP trailing, and then CCIP lagging extremely far behind. Very
>> > similar to the demand for CCIE SP versus the other tracks. CCIP is a
>> > good stepping stone towards CCIE SP.
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Brad Ellis
>> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> > CCSI# 30482
>> > CEO / President
>> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Partner (CLP)
>> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>> > International: +1-702-968-5100
>> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Gary Duncanson
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:30 PM
>> > To: Dale Shaw
>> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
>> >
>> > Agree with that. I have noticed more contracts are looking for MPLS
>> > skills
>> > this side of the pond so if anyone is short on exposure the CCIP should
>> > offer a good introduction.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dale Shaw" <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>> > To: "kevin dalby" <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
>> > Cc: "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; "Akber Ali Mirza"
>> > <akberali.cisco_at_gmail.com>; "CCIE Lab" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:39 AM
>> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
>> >
>> >
>> > >I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
>> > > of the _learning process_ for CCIP.
>> > >
>> > > If you do it right, it's a good structured way to learn about a
>> > > technology you're not familiar with. Get your hands on the courseware
>> > > (PEC), pick up a couple of relevant books, and go for it. Having the
>> > > exam there will give you some focus and force you through the content.
>> > >
>> > > You'll walk out of the exam grumbling about Cisco's vaguely worded
>> > > questions but you'll be better for it. Having an extra CC*P certainly
>> > > won't hurt.
>> > >
>> > > cheers,
>> > > Dale
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, kevin dalby <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> That's my thought as well. Really CC*P's are a dime a dozen. I
>> > didn't
>> > >> even
>> > >> get a raise when I got mine.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Radioactive Frog
>> > >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> if you have the bandwidth - go for CCIE (*RS*). Don't waste your
>> > time on
>> > >>> doing CC*P.
>> > >>> MPLS is covered in R&S these days!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> frog
>> > >
>> > >
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