Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market

I went to get the upgrade my brain and all they had left was some brain
called "abby normal".

lol

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> hehe.... You funny Larry, you got so serious :)
> Here is the live example: This guy (*21* yo) also does Architect work
> (design/implementation)
>
>
> I already have quite some real world experience with building,
> designing and configuring networks. (although never enough of course :-)
> I make 60k euros, which is quite good in Holland for a 21yr old :-P
> I could get more (around 65-70k) if I switched jobs, but I'm building
> up a great experience with large scale projects with the employer I'm
> currently at, so let's build up more experience first.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Mur
> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / SP)
>
> no offense to anyone **
>
> you see I am not mis-guiding other people. New generation brain is a lot
> faster then yours. So get yours upgrade before they get ventilated by these
> *SUPER* new brains!!
>
> -frog
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh_at_ipexpert.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The reality?
> > I'm not sure what world you live and work in? In the "real" world, if you
> > are going to go into a client site with those letters and numbers after
> your
> > name on the business card, you'd better be ready to perform!!!
> >
> > While learning on the job is great to build foundational knowledge ( like
> > the NP level of knowledge ), you MUST be able to perform at a level above
> > the professional level ( and quite frankly are expected to ).
> >
> > I'm not sure of the IE's that you've worked with, but when I open a TAC
> > case ( yes we all do that ), I do not do it for simple troubleshooting or
> > configuration issues. When I open a TAC case, I've exhausted all of my
> > resources.
> >
> > When I open the case I provide a full detailed scenario of what is going
> > on, the implementation that is being made or changed, configs, debugs and
> a
> > detailed list of the troubleshooting steps that I have performed BEFORE
> > calling TAC.
> >
> > If you are seriously saying that it is good to do what you have to do to
> > pass the lab and at that point start learning, I personally think that is
> > not doing justice to yourself or the companies that hire you to do a job.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Larry Hadrava
> > CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
> > Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
> > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Radioactive Frog
> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Dudes! Come on lets face the reality:
> >>
> >> <I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the value
> >> of the _learning process_ for CCIP.?>
> >>
> >> Get the CCIE first - striaght without wasting time on **NP's. Worry
> about
> >> the learning process later.
> >>
> >> Why I am saying this?
> >>
> >> I have seen many double/tripple CCIE when they stuck at work or on a
> >> customer call they call **TAC***.
> >> So just get the Cert and get start filling your pocket with $$$$ (If you
> >> can
> >> face the interview of course).
> >>
> >> They also learn when they open a case with TAC :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > We are actually seeing an increase in the amount of folks who want
> CCIP
> >> > certification and CCIP topic type training. Although the recent
> >> > announcement of MPLS to the R&S lab exam might be helping that as
> well.
> >> > Typically in the past, we've seen CCVP and CCNP as the two "hot ones"
> >> > with CCSP trailing, and then CCIP lagging extremely far behind. Very
> >> > similar to the demand for CCIE SP versus the other tracks. CCIP is a
> >> > good stepping stone towards CCIE SP.
> >> >
> >> > thanks,
> >> > Brad Ellis
> >> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >> > CCSI# 30482
> >> > CEO / President
> >> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Partner (CLP)
> >> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >> > International: +1-702-968-5100
> >> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> > Gary Duncanson
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:30 PM
> >> > To: Dale Shaw
> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> >> >
> >> > Agree with that. I have noticed more contracts are looking for MPLS
> >> > skills
> >> > this side of the pond so if anyone is short on exposure the CCIP
> should
> >> > offer a good introduction.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Dale Shaw" <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> >> > To: "kevin dalby" <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> >> > Cc: "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; "Akber Ali Mirza"
> >> > <akberali.cisco_at_gmail.com>; "CCIE Lab" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:39 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: CCIP Certification current demand in the market
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >I don't disagree with what you're saying, but don't discount the
> value
> >> > > of the _learning process_ for CCIP.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you do it right, it's a good structured way to learn about a
> >> > > technology you're not familiar with. Get your hands on the
> courseware
> >> > > (PEC), pick up a couple of relevant books, and go for it. Having the
> >> > > exam there will give you some focus and force you through the
> content.
> >> > >
> >> > > You'll walk out of the exam grumbling about Cisco's vaguely worded
> >> > > questions but you'll be better for it. Having an extra CC*P
> certainly
> >> > > won't hurt.
> >> > >
> >> > > cheers,
> >> > > Dale
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, kevin dalby <ieorbust_at_gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> That's my thought as well. Really CC*P's are a dime a dozen. I
> >> > didn't
> >> > >> even
> >> > >> get a raise when I got mine.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Radioactive Frog
> >> > >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> if you have the bandwidth - go for CCIE (*RS*). Don't waste your
> >> > time on
> >> > >>> doing CC*P.
> >> > >>> MPLS is covered in R&S these days!
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> frog
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > >
> >> > >
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