From: Scott M Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 00:35:01 ARST
Atlanta,
Two schools of thought on when it's best to sit the written:
1. Get it out of the way and get a lab seat scheduled
2. Take it when you're ready for the lab.
For R&S, I chose approach #1. For SP (if I go there), I'm seriously
considering #2. The only caution I would offer is that in both cases,
there's at least some minor disparity between the written and lab
blueprints. So there's risk of being distracted with subject matter not to
be found in the lab as part of your written prep. It's a tossup. Still a
bit on the fence about it, personally.
And thanks much, BTW - memory is not exactly my strong suit and so I'm
riding myself fairly hard in order to get ready to take this on again and
*hopefully* impress myself with a solid showing at the test center. ;-)
From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:17 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Scott M Vermillion; armylegionmedic@aol.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
same applies to any exam including the lab :)
Scott - I hear you on what you are trying to say :-D Goodluck with your
written. I am not gonna worry about my written unless I am ready for the
lab.
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>
wrote:
I give the written
its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
required to pass it legitimately
THE KEYWORD IS LEGITIMATELY
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott M Vermillion
<scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
And just for the record (again, for whatever it's worth), I give the written
its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
required to pass it legitimately. I'm in the final phases of preparing to
do just that for recertification purposes as we speak. So back to my
studies.
From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:52 PM
To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; 'armylegionmedic@aol.com'
Cc: 'joshuaatterbury@gmail.com'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
I'm guessing you use this yourselves then, eh gents? ;-)
Look, I'm not going to be dragged into a flame war with language like
"ignorance at it's best"(notice the inappropriate - some might even say
ignorant - use of the apostrophe there, LOL!). I simply stated what my
practice was when interviewing and hiring was part of my daily job
description. You don't have to get ugly with me over it. I don't flame
people on this list for making statements about their beliefs or hiring
practices or much of anything else. Why should you? Because you're hiding
behind an alias and you can just let the flamethrower go at will? OK,
whatever. But take note of the fact that there's at least one guy out there
who considers this to be deceptive and silly and will not approve you for an
interview if he sees it in your resume or in any of your communications.
Can't believe I'm all alone in that regard, so just consider it a public
service message for the benefit of those with open ears and minds.
And I don't think it's the least bit "harsh," personally. You deceive
people (HR types, recruiters, etc) who don't have the insight to know the
difference. I gave a specific example of that happening. If you want to
tell me you passed the written, that's easy to do without the use of a
non-existent title.
Scott
"Someone who NEVER once used CCIE in his resume, profile, or signature block
until AFTER he passed the lab (a.k.a #19953, a.k.a Scott (1))"
From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:20 PM
To: armylegionmedic@aol.com
Cc: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
Gotta agree with you. Person is NOT claiming that he is a CCIE. I think you
have got to mention that you have passed CCIE Written and are scheduled to
attempt the lab. Throwing the resume out just because it says CCIE Written
is just ignorance at it's best.
Now if it said CCIE with no ccie# then that's a different story :)
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 PM, <armylegionmedic@aol.com> wrote:
I would have to say that is a bit harsh. As the CCIE Written is a great
accomplishment as are all level exams that you pass with Cisco. Now, if
someone said they were CCIE then had to reclearify and my favorite to hear
is well, Im CCIE Theory, so its a form of CCIE. Then I would have to agree
with you. Also, I feel it is important for someone to list if they have at
least accomplished the written as it shows they are making the effort
towards and IE. Many people are happy at the professional level and have no
desire to extend or progress past that. When someone shows they have passed
the written, it shows they are at least making the effort to achieve more
and greater in their career.
Just my soap box speak, thats all. I will step down now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
To: 'joshua atterbury' <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 3:12 pm
Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
Back in my "corporate" days, I would immediately reject any resume that
included the words "CCIE written" anywhere (and this was long before I had a
number or ever thought that I would). That just speaks to a certain
deceptiveness that should turn you off from any prospective job candidate,
no matter how seemingly qualified. So it really harms the people trying to
pull this off more than anyone. But the sad truth is that people are
definitely fooled by this. A few months back I had a recruiter call and I
had to turn him down right away because I was already overloaded. He called
me back later that day to ask if I'd be willing to advise him on what a
"CCIE written" was, as he had somebody's resume with that "certification
level" and wanted to know my thoughts as to how qualified this person might
be for the project. I told him that it would be impossible to say on that
basis alone, considering that some true CCIEs aren't altogether too capable
and many non-CCIEs are freakin' geniuses. But I did share my thoughts as to
what it might say about that person's *integrity.*
For whatever that's worth.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
joshua atterbury
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:31 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Jonny English; Mark Sh; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
Maybe this guy has passed his written and is now studying for the lab.
Unfortunately I have heard people reference themselves as a "Written CCIE"
ie passed written but not lab..... terrible stuff.
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
> ??
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Jonny English <redkidneybeans@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > what?
> >
> > why the heck do you want to sit the lab if you are a CCIE already?
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Sh <cciegroupst@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > I am a CCIE almost 1 month ago and I want to start studying f
or the
lab
> > ..
> > >
> > > what is the best practice to do it (scheduled on march 30th, 2009).
> would
> > > you please guide me in the way to get it ..
> > >
> > > I can get 2 months leave from the company before the lab exam..
> > >
> > > I appreciate your cooperation and guidance ..
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net <http://www.ccie.net/>
> > >
> > >
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