From: Town Tien (tientien.wang@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 00:34:03 ARST
No harm listing it on the resume, maybe give a lab date like other
suggested. But be ready to back it up when you are being interview. ;)
A question or two will review the level of you technical expert.
Turn
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On Nov 22, 2008, at 4:16 PM, "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
wrote:
> same applies to any exam including the lab :)
> Scott - I hear you on what you are trying to say :-D Goodluck with
> your
> written. I am not gonna worry about my written unless I am ready for
> the
> lab.
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I give the written
>> its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and dedication
>> required to pass it legitimately
>>
>> THE KEYWORD IS *LEGITIMATELY*
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
>> scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And just for the record (again, for whatever it's worth), I give the
>>> written
>>> its full due respect and recognize the level of effort and
>>> dedication
>>> required to pass it legitimately. I'm in the final phases of
>>> preparing to
>>> do just that for recertification purposes as we speak. So back to
>>> my
>>> studies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:52 PM
>>> To: 'Atlanta CCIE'; 'armylegionmedic@aol.com'
>>> Cc: 'joshuaatterbury@gmail.com'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>>> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm guessing you use this yourselves then, eh gents? ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Look, I'm not going to be dragged into a flame war with language
>>> like
>>> "ignorance at it's best"(notice the inappropriate - some might
>>> even say
>>> ignorant - use of the apostrophe there, LOL!). I simply stated
>>> what my
>>> practice was when interviewing and hiring was part of my daily job
>>> description. You don't have to get ugly with me over it. I don't
>>> flame
>>> people on this list for making statements about their beliefs or
>>> hiring
>>> practices or much of anything else. Why should you? Because you're
>>> hiding
>>> behind an alias and you can just let the flamethrower go at will?
>>> OK,
>>> whatever. But take note of the fact that there's at least one guy
>>> out
>>> there
>>> who considers this to be deceptive and silly and will not approve
>>> you for
>>> an
>>> interview if he sees it in your resume or in any of your
>>> communications.
>>> Can't believe I'm all alone in that regard, so just consider it a
>>> public
>>> service message for the benefit of those with open ears and minds.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And I don't think it's the least bit "harsh," personally. You
>>> deceive
>>> people (HR types, recruiters, etc) who don't have the insight to
>>> know the
>>> difference. I gave a specific example of that happening. If you
>>> want to
>>> tell me you passed the written, that's easy to do without the use
>>> of a
>>> non-existent title.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> "Someone who NEVER once used CCIE in his resume, profile, or
>>> signature
>>> block
>>> until AFTER he passed the lab (a.k.a #19953, a.k.a Scott (1))"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Atlanta CCIE [mailto:atlantaccie@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:20 PM
>>> To: armylegionmedic@aol.com
>>> Cc: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; joshuaatterbury@gmail.com;
>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the
>>> lab)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gotta agree with you. Person is NOT claiming that he is a CCIE. I
>>> think
>>> you
>>> have got to mention that you have passed CCIE Written and are
>>> scheduled to
>>> attempt the lab. Throwing the resume out just because it says CCIE
>>> Written
>>> is just ignorance at it's best.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now if it said CCIE with no ccie# then that's a different story :)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:37 PM, <armylegionmedic@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would have to say that is a bit harsh. As the CCIE Written is a
>>> great
>>> accomplishment as are all level exams that you pass with Cisco.
>>> Now, if
>>> someone said they were CCIE then had to reclearify and my favorite
>>> to hear
>>> is well, Im CCIE Theory, so its a form of CCIE. Then I would have
>>> to agree
>>> with you. Also, I feel it is important for someone to list if they
>>> have at
>>> least accomplished the written as it shows they are making the
>>> effort
>>> towards and IE. Many people are happy at the professional level
>>> and have
>>> no
>>> desire to extend or progress past that. When someone shows they have
>>> passed
>>> the written, it shows they are at least making the effort to
>>> achieve more
>>> and greater in their career.
>>>
>>> Just my soap box speak, thats all. I will step down now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott M Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>>> To: 'joshua atterbury' <joshuaatterbury@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 3:12 pm
>>> Subject: RE: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Back in my "corporate" days, I would immediately reject any resume
>>> that
>>> included the words "CCIE written" anywhere (and this was long
>>> before I had
>>> a
>>> number or ever thought that I would). That just speaks to a certain
>>> deceptiveness that should turn you off from any prospective job
>>> candidate,
>>> no matter how seemingly qualified. So it really harms the people
>>> trying
>>> to
>>> pull this off more than anyone. But the sad truth is that people
>>> are
>>> definitely fooled by this. A few months back I had a recruiter
>>> call and I
>>> had to turn him down right away because I was already overloaded.
>>> He
>>> called
>>> me back later that day to ask if I'd be willing to advise him on
>>> what a
>>> "CCIE written" was, as he had somebody's resume with that
>>> "certification
>>> level" and wanted to know my thoughts as to how qualified this
>>> person
>>> might
>>> be for the project. I told him that it would be impossible to say
>>> on that
>>> basis alone, considering that some true CCIEs aren't altogether too
>>> capable
>>> and many non-CCIEs are freakin' geniuses. But I did share my
>>> thoughts as
>>> to
>>> what it might say about that person's *integrity.*
>>>
>>> For whatever that's worth.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> joshua atterbury
>>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:31 PM
>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>> Cc: Jonny English; Mark Sh; Cisco certification
>>> Subject: Re: I am now CCIE written certified ( Best way for the lab)
>>>
>>> Maybe this guy has passed his written and is now studying for the
>>> lab.
>>> Unfortunately I have heard people reference themselves as a
>>> "Written
>>> CCIE"
>>> ie passed written but not lab..... terrible stuff.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>>> <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> ??
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Jonny English <
>>> redkidneybeans@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> what?
>>>>>
>>>>> why the heck do you want to sit the lab if you are a CCIE already?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Mark Sh <cciegroupst@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a CCIE almost 1 month ago and I want to start studying f
>>> or the
>>> lab
>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what is the best practice to do it (scheduled on march 30th,
>>>>>> 2009).
>>>> would
>>>>>> you please guide me in the way to get it ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can get 2 months leave from the company before the lab exam..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate your cooperation and guidance ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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