From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Mon Feb 18 2008 - 04:10:22 ARST
I think it will take into account many more things that just technologies.
You are correct that many CCIE's don't do "normal" router configs anyway.
But there's a large difference from knowing how to make OSPF work, and
making sure that OSPF is the right choice for a company, or understanding
the issues with migration or acquisition or new applications or things like
that.
Many CCIEs don't have those requisite skills. Just like many good network
designers couldn't enter the commands to save their lives (or troubleshoot
something).
There's always people who can do it all. This is just another way of
highlighting a skillset that should most certainly not be "assumed" by
anyone.
HTH,
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From: Han Ghee Chia [mailto:han_ghee@yahoo.com.sg]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:02 AM
To: Wes Stevens; Scott Morris; Darby Weaver; Arun Kumar Arumuganainar; Cisco
certification; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
Something which I cannot seem to reconcile - being a CCIE should mean that
the person is NOT just an expert with commands, configurations & features -
but also an expert with networking concepts, requirements & designs. If the
reverse is NOT true - i.e. CCDE is not an expert with commands,
configurations & features, but only expert with designs, then I think CCDE
is a fiasco. Lot's of old timer CCIEs that I know are adept with designs,
without adding another 4 letters to their names. I'm not too sure about
rest of the world, but in Asia most companies believe in multi-tasking and
maximizing values (for money) - nobody employs a CCIE with high salary just
to do router configurations.
----- Original Message ----
From: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gssp@yahoo.com>
To: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>; Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>;
Arun Kumar Arumuganainar <aarumuga@hotmail.com>; Cisco certification
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>; Cisco certification <comserv@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2008 11:08:59
Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
You don't need any more marketing so it must fall into the last category in
your case :)
----- Original Message ----
From: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>
To: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; Arun Kumar Arumuganainar
<aarumuga@hotmail.com>; Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; Cisco
certification <comserv@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:49:24 PM
Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
Progress? Evolution? Challenges?
Is the question any different for having more than one CCIE versus adding
your CCDE to the mix? Keep in mind that there's no "must have CCIE"
prerequisite for participating in the CCDE track. So this could simply be
seen as the logical extension of the CCDA/CCDP tracks. The CCIE Design was
an interesting, but not-fully-baked idea (genetic fluke that occurs before
full onset evolution?). ;)
ROI? If you are working for a company, not likely unless you meet some
requirement. If you are independent, then it's called marketing!
Otherwise, it's just called sadistic.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:03 PM
To: Arun Kumar Arumuganainar; 'Cisco certification'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
I'd suppose most everyone is asking the same question about the CCDE. I
still remember the last time the CCIE-Design cert was offered and never made
it as an offering to the people who passed that written exam.
The question I'd ask myself if I had already achieved one or even more
CCIE's is this:
Am I seeing the Return on Investment?
If not, another certification may not be the answer.
If yes, then carry on.
For myself, I think certs help, if nothing else they make me more confident
at my job.
However, I've seen a lot of people get the certs and get their feelings hurt
too.
Employers do not throw money at you just cause you got some more letters
behind your name.
Usually they have problems and they like to hire people who understand the
problems and can be expected to create solutions to those problems.
That's the bargain we are in the game for.
Maybe the first CCDE's might see some increased value, but I always wonder
in the back of my mind why out of the first CCIE's to make the 10 Year mark
only a few are still active CCIE's in the first place.
Yes - there will be lots of answers to this one, but I still wonder.
Congrats on having earned one or more CCIE's.
--- Arun Kumar Arumuganainar <aarumuga@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Any idea what it looks like ???
>
> I wanted to know more information about the lab on the cisco web site
> . May some one here can throw some light.
>
> Having finished couple of CCIEs I am wondering if it is worth looking
> at it? I am assuming (if it involves lab) it will involve significant
> amount of prep time and hence wanted to think twice before making a
> decision.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> arun
>
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