From: Han Ghee Chia (han_ghee@yahoo.com.sg)
Date: Mon Feb 18 2008 - 04:10:44 ARST
So may be Cisco should include TOEFL as a prerequisite for CCIE ? Another
implicit evidence that the lab is actually a test of one's understanding of
the English language, rather than concepts ?
----- Original Message ----
From: "nortic @hackermail.com" <nortic@hackermail.com>
To: Jersey Guy
<guy.jersey@gmail.com>; jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
Cc: cciers@hotmail..co.uk;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2008 11:14:11
Subject: Re:
Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
You are probably right, they thought
this guy cant speak english properly so immediately that must halve his IQ,
therefore they decide he wont pass on the first attempt as they never could
and secondly they will take his money for nothing.
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "Jersey Guy" <guy.jersey@gmail.com>
> To:
jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> Subject: Re: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:41:22 -0500
>
>
> I should probably shut the
heck up because this is NONE of my business but
> maybe....m-a-y-b-e........JP
Singh got slammed around a bit because his
> command of the english language
is rather poor? We've ALL known some CCIE
> who's awesome with Cisco tech but
abysmal with everything else.......so i'm
> just wondering if I should just go
to sleep and pretend I never wrote
> this.....zzzzzz
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb
14, 2008 at 9:35 AM, <jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Matt,
> >
>
> I am not blaming you people. Its truth and you know that very well. I
> >
have try to explain you so many times but you always kick my ASS. If you
> >
think that I post something wrong here. I can send you so many mails
> > where
people don't have any strength to send the mail here about IP
> > expert. But
any way I am not planning to do any more CCIE.
> >
> > I have used
Internetwork expert work books when I have done CCIE in R&S
> > I have never
blame them for anything. If some thing is wrong than only I
> > have tell the
truth here. I know you have even try to bloke me here in
> > this group study
also. But I don't care what you want to do now. I know
> > what I have done
and this is correct to let the people knows the truth.
> > I respect Scott
from my heart. HE is guru for me but if u think that u
> > become smart by
removing me from your online Group study than who cares.
> >
> > So Good bye
and Take care.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> > J P Singh | CCIE:- 13620 (R&S ,
Voice) | Specialist: Design, Development
> > & Consultancy Services |
Solutions Engineering Group , BT Global
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
Matt Brooks [mailto:mbrooks@ipexpert.com]
> > Sent: 14 February 2008 14:27
> >
To: CCIE RS
> > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; Dhameeja,JPS,Jatinder,AXSC52 R
>
> Subject: Re: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
> >
> > Hi, Mark.
> >
>
> Thanks for posting your concern. Perhaps others were thinking the same,
> >
so I will quickly reply to all.
> >
> > Frankly, I would prefer *not* to have
to engage on this list. You are
> > right; it is for CCIE candidates and,
while you might find that buddying
> > up to a "sales guy" running a training
company could be a great help to
> > your studies, that is not the purpose if
this list.
> >
> > The fact is, I have been given permission by Paul Borghese
(the owner of
> > Group Study) to engage in these kinds of conversations. As I
have stated
> > many times, it is not our intent or desire to stomp out any
negative
> > comments about IPexpert. We are not perfect, so part of doing
business
> > is that there will be criticism from time to time. That's OK.
> >
The trouble arises with posts like the one that started this thread,
> > which
are so untrue and outrageous that it is reasonable to defend the
> > correct
position.
> >
> > In closing, I encourage you to search the archives for any
posts by me.
> > I think you will find that I have never abused the system.
You will also
> > find plenty of constructive criticism with no reply from me.
;-)
> >
> > Feel free to verify my comments with Paul as well.
> >
> > With
that, I apologize for the distraction and wish all of you great
> > success
with your CCIE pursuit.
> >
> > --
> > Matt Brooks
> > Vice President -
IPexpert, Inc.
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 x101
> > Mailto:
mbrooks@ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2008, at 2:24 AM, CCIE RS
<cciers@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > has Matt Brooks passed his CCIE
written to be in this forum? does he
> > > have a Lab date for the main lab
exam?
> > > is he not a sales type of guy from IPEXPERT? Can this forum allow
> > > sales people? If so I hope the team from Internetworkexpert joins as
> >
> they are excellent in what they do. (Kady, Mike, Misty..etc) SORRY IF
> > >
I AM WRONG.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 13
Feb 2008 13:00:04 -0500
> > > > From: mbrooks@ipexpert.com
> > > > To:
ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: Finally Pass Voice Lab on
first attempt
> > > > CC: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> > > >
> > > > JP,
> > > >
> > > > First, I would like to congratulate you on your success. Even in
> > >
light of
> > > > your review of IPexpert, I believe that you gained some
benefit
> > > from our
> > > > products, courses and support. For that, I am
pleased to have been
> > > a part of
> > > > your success.
> > > >
> > > > It
is good to see that Brad and his team were able to help you as
> > > well. I
am
> > > > pleased to say that we have developed a great relationship with the
> > > > CCbootcamp staff. Brad runs a fine operation and is generous with
> >
> his time
> > > > and desire to help CCIE candidates.
> > > >
> > > > I am,
however, disappointed that your review did not acknowledge
> > > the many
> >
> > phone calls and emails that our team engaged with you, which
> > >
certainly went
> > > > well outside our "normal" level of support. I suppose
it is true
> > > in business
> > > > that "you can't please all the people all
the time," but we will
> > > continue
> > > > trying to assist other CCIE
Voice candidates...
> > > >
> > > > ----------------
> > > > On February 8th
2008 I passed my CCIE Voice Lab in RTP. I took the
> > > IPexpert
> > > > 10
day boot camp in Richardson TX, and I can't express enough how
> > > much this
> > > > helped me to pass. I have been working with IPT for over 6 years
> > >
and have
> > > > done Call Manager installs all the way back to the version
3.0,
> > > but still
> > > > picked up a wealth of new knowledge at this boot
camp that if I
> > > hadn't had I
> > > > would not have passed.
> > > >
> > >
> Vik's help was amazing and I couldn't come up with any questions
> > > to
stump
> > > > him. If I had a question on any of the technology he always had
an
> > > answer
> > > > for me. IPexpert's Voice boot camp and practice
materials are
> > > second to
> > > > none. Had I not gone to the boot camp I
don't feel like I would
> > > have passed
> > > > the lab. I would also like
to say the proctor lab equipment is
> > > great, and I
> > > > used it
exclusively to study for the lab at home since I could not
> > > afford to
> >
> > buy my own lab.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Allen Hartman
>
> > > CCIE #11381 (Voice, R&S)
> > > >
> > > > ----------------
> > > >
> > >
> I passed on January 29, 2008. One of my friend recommended
> > > IPexpert's
CCIE
> > > > Bootcamp as a good way to prepare for the lab. The bootcamp was
>
> > really
> > > > helpful in terms of measuring your own readiness to take
the test.
> > > I would
> > > > definitely recommend to sign-up for this
bootcamp BEFORE you even
> > > sign up
> > > > for the real lab attempt. You
may find out that you are not ready
> > > or there
> > > > are many
other/better strategies you could use to give you a
> > > better chance
> > >
> at passing the lab.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Snow was very helpful/knowledgeable
and provided useful
> > > insights about
> > > > things to look out for during
the test. I also ordered the
> > > workbook from
> > > > IPexpert which I used
to do time trials for the real test.
> > > >
> > > > I guess I am really proud
that I was able to pass this test more
> > > than 10
> > > > years after I
passed my first R&S CCIE. Big thumbs up for IPexpert!
> > > >
> > > > Andras
Arato
> > > > CCIE #3297 (Voice, R&S)
> > > >
> > > > ----------------
> > > >
> > > > I would like to express my gratitude for the training that I
> > >
received from
> > > > IPexpert in preparing for my Voice CCIE lab. I used the
Voice
> > > Proctor Guide
> > > > to gain a solid foundation of the possible
testable topics in the
> > > Voice CCIE
> > > > lab, and then partook of the 5
day lab experience boot camp taught
> > > by Vik
> > > > Malhi roughly one
month before I sat for the exam. I was thoroughly
> > > > impressed with Vik's
knowledge, and a few times during the course
> > > my lab
> > > > partner and
I would bet on how quickly Vik would know the answers
> > > to our
> > > >
questions before we finished the questioning sentence.
> > > >
> > > > In
addition, during the month after my bootcamp and before my lab
> > >
practical,
> > > > I posed many questions to the online forum that Mark Snow
would
> > > respond too.
> > > > Mark's explanations were clear and concise
and he went above and
> > > beyond in
> > > > many situations to make sure I
understood the material. I am happy
> > > to report
> > > > that on January
22nd of 2008, I passed the Voice lab and feel
> > > strongly that
> > > >
IPexpert was a contributing factor.
> > > >
> > > > However, I would also like
to make the point that IPexpert does
> > > not train
> > > > people to pass
the CCIE Lab exam. To the contrary, IPexpert's
> > > training
> > > > regiment
ensures that each individual actually understands the
> > > technology
> > > >
and truly becomes a better engineer.
> > > >
> > > > In much appreciation,
> >
> >
> > > > Mike Schultz
> > > > CCIE (R&S, Voice) #7935
> > > >
> > > >
----------------
> > > > IPexpert was recommended to me by a local Cisco SE,
who recently
> > > took a boot
> > > > camp, and by a coworker who used the
lab guide to pass his Voice
> > > lab last
> > > > year. I worked through
several of the exercises in the workbook
> > > before
> > > > taking the boot
camp.
> > > >
> > > > The boot camp really helped me understand several
critical areas
> > > much better
> > > > and helped me develop a strategy for
the lab. After the boot camp
> > > I worked
> > > > through all of the labs in
the workbook and the new e-books using
> > > the
> > > > Proctor Labs online
racks. Working through all of the labs helped
> > > me learn
> > > > even more
and increased my speed..
> > > >
> > > > After completing the workbook and the
e-books I felt ready for the
> > > lab and
> > > > was not nervous on test
day. Because of all the hard work and
> > > preparation I
> > > > was able to
pass the Voice lab on my first attempt. This was not
> > > easy and
> > > >
required many hours of study. You cannot just go to a boot camp
> > > and
expect
> > > > to pass, but with hard work and IPexpert products you can pass
the
> > > lab.
> > > >
> > > > The most important part of the whole experience
of studying for
> > > and passing
> > > > the voice lab was that I greatly
expanded my voice knowledge,
> > > which will
> > > > help me provide better
service to my customers.
> > > >
> > > > Hal White, CCIE (R&S, Voice) #12507
>
> > >
> > > > ----------------
> > > >
> > > > Since my first CCIE Routing &
Switching achieved in 2003, I have
> > > been used
> > > > IPexpert workbook.
I practiced the complete whole book including the
> > > > break-down practice
and one-day mock labs. It helped me a lot to
> > > pass the
> > > > R&S lab in
2 attempts.. The workbook covered much wider scope than
> > > the real
> > > >
lab, and it was based on the 9-routers case scenarios (the real
> > > lab has
only
> > > > 6 routers). Which helped me a lot to keep the confidence till the
> > > end to
> > > > complete the R&S CCIE lab within 4 hours. Yes, 4 hours
only. So I
> > > could have
> > > > another 4 hours to fully test the lab one
by one.
> > > >
> > > > Before I started my CCIE Voice study, I researched on
which
> > > workbook in the
> > > > market is the best that could fit me to
practice the hands-on
> > > experience,
> > > > since I didn't have much
hands-on, regardless I was a CCVP. I am
> > > so far very
> > > > happy with
the decision to choose the IPExpert workbook. It
> > > covered a lot of
> > >
> major topics for the section practice on CallManager, Unity, IPCC,
> > >
Fax, GW,
> > > > GK and so forth. It took me 3 attempts to pass Voice CCIE in
exact
> > > one year.
> > > > The workbook, again, helped me prepared more
stuff than the real
> > > lab asked
> > > > for. So I could feel confidence
everytime sit inside the real lab.
> > > The first
> > > > two attempts were
not really bad, and I felt I was closer and
> > > closer to the
> > > > final
success. And eventually I nailed it down on the 3rd attempt.
> > > It was
> >
> > again, in the first 4.5 hours I completed the whole lab, and spent
> > >
the rest
> > > > of time for testing and troubleshooting.
> > > >
> > > >
IPExpert had the first-class of CCIE Voice rack rental.. I tried a
> > >
couple
> > > > sessions before the final exam during the Christmas and New
Year
> > > holiday
> > > > season. Their after-hour support was phenomenal. It
was instant and
> > > > efficient. I was very impressive with the effort of
the support
> > > team, since
> > > > they were just like standing beside you
and reply to you through
> > > the email
> > > > and fix the issue very
quickly. Also, IPexpert has their own
> > > mailing list,
> > > > in addition
to their online CCIE forum, that I could post my
> > > questions and
> > > >
get the answer instantly from both instructors and other CCIE
> > > candidates
> > > > around the world.
> > > >
> > > > I would certainly recommend IPexpert
products to those future
> > > CCIEs. Welcome
> > > > to the club.
> > > >
> >
> > Thank you again IPexpert.
> > > >
> > > > Weihui Ted Meng, CCIE #12621
> >
> >
> > > > ----------------
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.ipexpert.com/index.cfm/Testimonials
> > > > --
> > > > Matt Brooks
> > > > Vice President - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
x101
> > > > Mailto: mbrooks@ipexpert.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
> > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb
2008 12:17:33 +0000
> > > > > > From: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> > > > > > To:
ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear All,
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at brussels on my first
> > > attempt.
> > > > > > Firstly I would like to thank all who helped me towards
> > >
achieving this
> > > > > > goal. Special thanks to Tarun pahuja, and the
CCBootcamp team
> > > (Brad) who
> > > > > > gave me personal support. Even
though I did not buy any of their
> > > > > > products they gave their
personal contact details and helped
> > > me when I
> > > > > > needed much
help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared
the written
> > > after
> > > > > > reading all the recommended cisco press
books.. Then my company
> > > supported
> > > > > > me in buying all the voice
lab equipment which I setup in my
> > > office.
> > > > > > They also approved
for me to go on a bootcamp, and I choose to
> > > go to the
> > > > > >
IPexpert for 12 days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bought all IPexpert products
including COD and spent more then
> > > > > > $10,000. However I found their
bootcamp demoralizing and
> > > disappointing
> > > > > > . I was discouraged
and told that no one could pass the lab in
> > > the
> > > > > > first
attempt. I felt they were hiding things from me so as to
> > > prolong
> > > >
> > my studies so as to keep me lingering on.. Their support was
> > >
terrible,
> > > > > > their workbook had errors, little explanations and I
found
> > > myself
> > > > > > spending hours being frustrated when things
would not work due
> > > to
> > > > > > ommisions or things not explained
properly. As a customer I
> > > expect a
> > > > > > teaching product to be
accurate and explain things so as to
> > > reinforce
> > > > > > my technical
abilities, but soon I discovered that their
> > > strategy was
> > > > > > to
hide things, to make me it difficult instead and to mentally
> > > > > >
discourage me so that I was guaranteed to fail on first attempt.
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > However I kept positive and determined to pass this exam and
> > >
made a
> > > > > > challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent the next
two
> > > months
> > > > > > off work and studying 15-18 hours per day and
working on my
> > > weaknesses.
> > > > > > I consulted the cisco press books
several times until I was
> > > comfortable
> > > > > > with every technology
and spent hours on-hands practising on
> > > all the
> > > > > > technologies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my experience the lab was not as hard as I
thought it
> > > would be. I
> > > > > > got back from Brussels today and saw
the good news.. now its
> > > time for a
> > > > > > break and some
celebration.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to you all.....
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > J P Singh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CCIE (R & S , Voice)
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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