From: Han Ghee Chia (han_ghee@yahoo.com.sg)
Date: Mon Feb 18 2008 - 04:02:24 ARST
Something which I cannot seem to reconcile - being a CCIE should mean that the
person is NOT just an expert with commands, configurations & features - but
also an expert with networking concepts, requirements & designs. If the
reverse is NOT true - i.e. CCDE is not an expert with commands, configurations
& features, but only expert with designs, then I think CCDE is a fiasco.
Lot's of old timer CCIEs that I know are adept with designs, without adding
another 4 letters to their names. I'm not too sure about rest of the world,
but in Asia most companies believe in multi-tasking and maximizing values (for
money) - nobody employs a CCIE with high salary just to do router
configurations.
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Subject:
Re: What is CCDE?
You don't need any more marketing so it must fall into the
last category in your case :)
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Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
Progress?
Evolution? Challenges?
Is the question any different for having more than
one CCIE versus adding
your CCDE to the mix? Keep in mind that there's no
"must have CCIE"
prerequisite for participating in the CCDE track. So this
could simply be
seen as the logical extension of the CCDA/CCDP tracks. The
CCIE Design was
an interesting, but not-fully-baked idea (genetic fluke that
occurs before
full onset evolution?). ;)
ROI? If you are working for a
company, not likely unless you meet some
requirement. If you are independent,
then it's called marketing!
Otherwise, it's just called sadistic.
Scott
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Darby Weaver
Sent: Friday,
February 15, 2008 11:03 PM
To: Arun Kumar Arumuganainar; 'Cisco
certification'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
I'd suppose
most everyone is asking the same question about the CCDE. I
still remember
the last time the CCIE-Design cert was offered and never made
it as an
offering to the people who passed that written exam.
The question I'd ask
myself if I had already achieved one or even more
CCIE's is this:
Am I seeing
the Return on Investment?
If not, another certification may not be the
answer.
If yes, then carry on.
For myself, I think certs help, if nothing
else they make me more confident
at my job.
However, I've seen a lot of
people get the certs and get their feelings hurt
too.
Employers do not throw
money at you just cause you got some more letters
behind your name.
Usually
they have problems and they like to hire people who understand the
problems
and can be expected to create solutions to those problems.
That's the bargain
we are in the game for.
Maybe the first CCDE's might see some increased
value, but I always wonder
in the back of my mind why out of the first CCIE's
to make the 10 Year mark
only a few are still active CCIE's in the first
place.
Yes - there will be lots of answers to this one, but I still wonder.
Congrats on having earned one or more CCIE's.
--- Arun Kumar Arumuganainar
<aarumuga@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Any idea what it looks like ???
>
> I wanted
to know more information about the lab on the cisco web site
> . May some one
here can throw some light.
>
> Having finished couple of CCIEs I am wondering
if it is worth looking
> at it? I am assuming (if it involves lab) it will
involve significant
> amount of prep time and hence wanted to think twice
before making a
> decision.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> arun
>
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