From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 18 2008 - 07:29:48 ARST
'Backfill' the CCIE. I wonder what that means?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Harris, CCIE# 6200" <jfh6200@tx.rr.com>
To: "'Robert McCallum'" <rmccallum@thrupoint.net>; "'Scott Morris'"
<swm@emanon.com>; "'Darby Weaver'" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "'Arun Kumar
Arumuganainar'" <aarumuga@hotmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>; "'Cisco certification'" <comserv@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
> Having spoken personally with the individual responsible for creating the
> CCDE on multiple occasions you can expect that that CCDE will be for many
> harder than the CCIE..You can read the complete interview I had with him
> at
> my blog: http://6200networks.com/?p=258. He details what your CCDE Lab
> experience may consist of (note the use of the word 'may'). If you read it
> completely then watch the InformIT interviews at the bottom of the page,
> you
> may also gain some insight into a couple of other exams Cisco is
> considering
> that make the CCDE & CCIE look like a CCNA exam.
>
> Question:
> How is Cisco going to make the network industry see the CCDE as equal to
> the
> CCIE? That's the only way management is going to see its benefit and pay
> higher wages for people who have the cert.
>
> Answer:
> I think the difficulty of the test is going to provide this. In fact, my
> guess is, folks will wind up thinking it's harder than the IE. At least
> that's what we hope will happen. In fact, I think we're going to have to
> backfill the IE at some point, but we have another certification to do
> before we can do that work.
>
> This week, I'm told, we had 30 takers, and the average pass rate was about
> 50%. That's a bit better than we expected, and we might adjust the cut
> score
> in the future, but there's no telling right now. It's hard to tell with
> this
> small of a sample. The process we've used is something management type
> folks
> will also care about--the psychometrics on the written exam have been
> incredible--this is probably the most reviewed set of questions we've ever
> done.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert McCallum
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:43 AM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Darby Weaver'; 'Arun Kumar Arumuganainar'; 'Cisco
> certification'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
>
> I failed the beta written by 2 marks. After question 200 I gave up and
> became disinterested (maybe that's why I scored as well lol). Anyway I
> sat
> the real deal yesterday and boy was that a bloody tough exam. Pass mark
> 70
> and I got 70. lucky? Damn right I had written it off as a fail. I have
> now sat about 8 ccie written exams - this was by far the hardest (or maybe
> its just that im getting older).
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: 16 February 2008 05:49
>> To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Arun Kumar Arumuganainar'; 'Cisco certification';
>> 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
>>
>> Progress? Evolution? Challenges?
>>
>> Is the question any different for having more than one CCIE versus adding
>> your CCDE to the mix? Keep in mind that there's no "must have CCIE"
>> prerequisite for participating in the CCDE track. So this could simply
>> be
>> seen as the logical extension of the CCDA/CCDP tracks. The CCIE Design
>> was
>> an interesting, but not-fully-baked idea (genetic fluke that occurs
>> before
>> full onset evolution?). ;)
>>
>> ROI? If you are working for a company, not likely unless you meet some
>> requirement. If you are independent, then it's called marketing!
>>
>> Otherwise, it's just called sadistic.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Darby Weaver
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:03 PM
>> To: Arun Kumar Arumuganainar; 'Cisco certification'; 'Cisco
>> certification'
>> Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
>>
>> I'd suppose most everyone is asking the same question about the CCDE. I
>> still remember the last time the CCIE-Design cert was offered and never
>> made
>> it as an offering to the people who passed that written exam.
>>
>>
>>
>> The question I'd ask myself if I had already achieved one or even more
>> CCIE's is this:
>>
>> Am I seeing the Return on Investment?
>>
>> If not, another certification may not be the answer.
>>
>> If yes, then carry on.
>>
>>
>> For myself, I think certs help, if nothing else they make me more
>> confident
>> at my job.
>>
>> However, I've seen a lot of people get the certs and get their feelings
>> hurt
>> too.
>>
>> Employers do not throw money at you just cause you got some more letters
>> behind your name.
>>
>> Usually they have problems and they like to hire people who understand
>> the
>> problems and can be expected to create solutions to those problems.
>>
>> That's the bargain we are in the game for.
>>
>> Maybe the first CCDE's might see some increased value, but I always
>> wonder
>> in the back of my mind why out of the first CCIE's to make the 10 Year
>> mark
>> only a few are still active CCIE's in the first place.
>>
>> Yes - there will be lots of answers to this one, but I still wonder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Congrats on having earned one or more CCIE's.
>>
>>
>> --- Arun Kumar Arumuganainar <aarumuga@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Any idea what it looks like ???
>> >
>> > I wanted to know more information about the lab on the cisco web site
>> > . May some one here can throw some light.
>> >
>> > Having finished couple of CCIEs I am wondering if it is worth looking
>> > at it? I am assuming (if it involves lab) it will involve significant
>> > amount of prep time and hence wanted to think twice before making a
>> > decision.
>> >
>> > Thanks and Regards
>> > arun
>> >
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