From: Salau, Yemi (yemi.salau@siemens.com)
Date: Mon Feb 18 2008 - 08:33:07 ARST
It's amazing how much one can miss out on, snapping off this list for a
couple of weeks.
There's been ping-ponging of mails across ref: IPExpert or No IPExpert,
Scott or No Scott. But my 2 cents here:
First, congratulations to Singh on passing his lab on his "FIRST"
attempt at "BRUSSELS" ... That's a first class, if not world class
achievement. Not only that he passed the greatest of them all, he did at
the greatest of them all in my own candid opinion (& YES, everyone is
entitled to their own opinions, whether right or wrong, but the end
justifies the means) & he's one of the very few Voice CCIE in the UK
(not sure if they're up to 50 in the UK)
Second, in as much as this list is open and moderated, I don't see any
reason why someone should be banned for voicing their own opinion. I'm
not justifying what he said about IPExpert/Scott, obviously IPExpert
can't please everybody ... It is impossible to please everyone in such a
business. However, Singh should have been more constructive in his
criticism, he should have highlighted which part of the training/support
aspect he wasn't happy with. I don't believe any progressively inspired
organisation can withdraw information off students to deliberately make
them fail on first attempt. I don't believe this is the case when lots
of CCIEs come back to give positive comments on their websites about
their products. Even if they are, the students get to benefit mostly,
because if you can't figure out such technical mistakes, then you're not
yet ready to be a CCIE anyway in my own candid opinion.
Another thing Singh should have done is actually get to speak with
IPExpert and voice his concerns to them before broadcasting it on GS.
That will appear to be more professional I think. But, even Singh
himself has said positive things about Scott, for me, he said "Scott is
a GURU". For me, in the midst of so many geniuses, there are rear GURUs,
and yea, Scott is one of those rear ones. He's very nice and the fact
that he attend to all questions fired at him is beyond me. Simply for
the fact that I can't figure out whether he sleep or not, he seems to be
working round the clock. Except if there is another person paid to reply
his GS mails. I've seen ridiculous emails here, I have even posted some
back in the days ... But Scott is one of the few trainers who responded
to them all. I'm not gonna mention names or slag anyone off, but take my
word for it, you wouldn't find a nicer trainer out there. I'm not saying
IPExpert is the best, because I'm not in the position to do so, but from
my lill spell with Scott, this guy is simply amazing!
To Scott, please don't take any of those comments personal, you know
what you and your team are capable of, you know what you've achieved and
how you've positively impacted uncountable CCIEs in the whole world! You
can't satisfy everyone, you can only do your best, and try to be better
at all you do. You're doing a fantastic job, and I reckon you aren't
even prepared to retire in the foreseeable future.
To Everyone else, CCIE or CCIE-Wannabe, I wish you all the very best out
there.
Many Thanks
Yemi Salau
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
tom nohwa
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:35 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Cc: tenvuladu@yahoo.com; M_A_Jones@dell.com; swm@emanon.com;
jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
Subject: Re: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
Hi all,
Paul shoul remove this guy from the list. He uses the abusive words
here.
He does not want to do any more CCIE, but we want to do more CCIEs.
He should be banned from accessing this group list. Paul, Please ban
this
guy.
WE WANT IPEXPERT PRODUCT which is GREAT.
Thanks,
Tom
On Feb 14, 2008 12:27 PM, <jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> wrote:
> I never said anything against SCOTT So please dont do any bullshit
here.
> If I was not happy from there Customer service or support. I have to
> high light this to group study. Even Scott is not a voice instructor.
I
> am just telling the truth which happens with me. I am not worried wat
> you people think. This is a small world of networking every one
requires
> help. I am not guru. I know Scott is GURU and always Guru for me. IF
you
> people who thinks I have done something wrong than why people send
mail
> directly to me who has the same experience. They dont have courge to
> write here in this Groupstudy. I have courge and I have write.
>
> I am not planning to do any other CCIE so I dont care. I am happy that
I
> told the truth to all people.
>
>
> Best Regards
> J P Singh | CCIE:- 13620 (R&S , Voice) | Specialist: Design,
Development
> & Consultancy Services | Solutions Engineering Group , BT Global
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> From: Envuladu Tsaku [mailto:tenvuladu@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 14 February 2008 10:32
> To: M_A_Jones@Dell.com; swm@emanon.com; Dhameeja,JPS,Jatinder,AXSC52
R;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
>
>
>
> I agree with you mike.I dont know scott myself ,but no matter how lame
> my mails are he always assists me.
>
>
> M_A_Jones@Dell.com wrote:
>
> Yeah,
>
> I think alluding that "experts" like Scott are withholding info
> from
> their students is completely oxymoronic.....lol
>
> If this were the case, why would he spend a great deal of his
> day;
> answering questions from "CCIE wannabees" who havent purchased
> his
> program...hmmmmmm ?!
>
>
>
> Michael Jones
> Network Engineer
> Global Network Operations
> Dell Inc. | Information Technology
> W. 512.723.3268 | C. 512.966.6908
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:25 AM
> To: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
>
> Congratulations on passing... Congratulations on getting the
> assistance
> that you felt you needed there.
>
> But I cannot understand why you feel the need to dredge up the
> same
> false allegations that you have brought up on numerous boards
> (including
> this one) before. On other boards, I have sat back twiddling my
> fingers
> and just thinking of all the things I probably shouldn't say.
> But it
> goes on and on and on. You've posted to this board before.
> You've
> gotten responses on this board before. And then you disappear.
>
> Other than pointing out the obvious inaccuracies regarding your
> "lack of
> support" problems (check the archives for those who are bored
> and/or
> interested), and not mentioning the multiple personal phone
> calls you
> got from instructors including one who gave you a phone number
> while he
> was at his mother's house so you had a local call in the UK...
>
> But now we have something new here. The idea that anyone
> deliberately
> withheld information in order to prolong your studying? Cute.
> Definitely not accurate, but cute!
>
> I'll give you credit, because in the past you haven't responded
> to any
> offers to figure out what your perceived errors or support
> problems
> were.
> you simply post a message and run and hide. Or perhaps ran to
> study.
> But now you're being inventive. I will give you credit for
that,
> at
> least you have made me laugh this morning.
>
> On the good note of things, as you go forward in your career I
> suppose
> we
> will at least be able to honestly say "It isn't IPexpert's
> fault". :)
>
> But I really wish you wouldn't bother spouting lies. It simply
> belittles your accomplishment here.
>
> Congratulations on passing.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>
> smorris@ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:18 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
>
> Dear All,
>
> Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at brussels on my first
> attempt.
> Firstly I would like to thank all who helped me towards
> achieving this
> goal.
> Special thanks to Tarun pahuja, and the CCBootcamp team (Brad)
> who gave
> me personal support. Even though I did not buy any of their
> products
> they gave their personal contact details and helped me when I
> needed
> much help.
>
> I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared the written
> after
> reading all the recommended cisco press books. Then my company
> supported
> me in buying all the voice lab equipment which I setup in my
> office.
> They also approved for me to go on a bootcamp, and I choose to
> go to the
> IPexpert for 12 days.
>
> I bought all IPexpert products including COD and spent more
then
> $10,000.
> However I found their bootcamp demoralizing and disappointing .
> I was
> discouraged and told that no one could pass the lab in the
first
> attempt.
> I felt they were hiding things from me so as to prolong my
> studies so as
> to keep me lingering on.. Their support was terrible, their
> workbook had
> errors, little explanations and I found myself spending hours
> being
> frustrated when things would not work due to ommisions or
things
> not
> explained properly. As a customer I expect a teaching product
to
> be
> accurate and explain things so as to reinforce my technical
> abilities,
> but soon I discovered that their strategy was to hide things,
to
> make me
> it difficult instead and to mentally discourage me so that I
was
> guaranteed to fail on first attempt.
>
> However I kept positive and determined to pass this exam and
> made a
> challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent the next two
> months
> off work and studying 15-18 hours per day and working on my
> weaknesses.
> I consulted the cisco press books several times until I was
> comfortable
> with every technology and spent hours on-hands practising on
all
> the
> technologies.
>
> From my experience the lab was not as hard as I thought it
would
> be. I
> got back from Brussels today and saw the good news.. now its
> time for a
> break and some celebration.
>
> Thanks to you all.....
>
> J P Singh
>
> CCIE (R & S , Voice)
>
>
>
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